The "Example" buttons don't jump out at me; I found them but it took a while. Also consider labeling them with their point, e.g. "Example 3: Color"
If you change the input text to something well-formed, the graph seems to update immediately. But if you change it to something ill-formed, the graph doesn't update immediately — and then if you click "Generate" manually, it blanks the input box. Either this is a bug, or the "Generate" button doesn't do what I think it does (i.e. generate output). Again, adding a noun to the verb might help. Or just adding some usage information somewhere on the page.
For those like me who've never heard of "Mermaid," apparently it's like GraphViz's dot language but different. https://github.com/mermaid-js/mermaid
I tried the flowchart example from Mermaid's own README, but it didn't come out right: looks like the shape characters [] and {} aren't handled.
lordswork 62 days ago [-]
Counter-nit: I found the examples within a few seconds.
brink 62 days ago [-]
Counter-counter-nit: I did not.
wigster 61 days ago [-]
nor i
dragonsky 60 days ago [-]
I did
flysand7 56 days ago [-]
I didnt, but also I was expecting the input prompt to already contain an example
AlexanderGrooff 62 days ago [-]
Thanks for the feedback! I agree that the web UI can be improved (quite) a bit, most of my efforts went into the actual generation of the diagrams. I'll have a look at prettifying it.
matt3210 62 days ago [-]
Same, I had no idea there were examples until I read this.
Or, less ergonomically, the general rectangle-editing commands built into more powerful code editors e.g. Emacs.
With these, simple but fairly pretty box+line+text diagrams can be inlined with your source code comments. This unification may help in the perennial struggle to keep software architecture and source code reality in sync.
Needs to have a '+' and the elbows and T intersections.
nunobrito 62 days ago [-]
Hey, where are the mermaids?!?
But now seriously.. the diagrams are working really well for simple examples, thank you so much for sharing this tool. I have bookmarked your page, my documentation is based on text files and often have to build these kind of diagrams too.
The example buttons took me a while to be found, but are good for syntax explanation. Thank you for making this available.
AlexanderGrooff 62 days ago [-]
Thanks for the kind words!
jonahx 62 days ago [-]
Nice work, I love ascii diagrams. Especially useful when you want a visual explanation that can be embedded directly in source code.
Small nit on layout: 90 degree joints should use "+" in the connecting lines, as they do in the boxes.
AlexanderGrooff 61 days ago [-]
Thanks for the recommendation. I've added the "+" corners in v0.5.1.
It's a macOS app and I've found it great. However if given an ASCII diagram, you cannot edit it with the same ease as creating a new one (e.g. reflowing text or resizing boxes).
I really like the idea of having the mermaid source and the ASCII diagram together, so you could use the source to change the diagram if needed. But I feel that would feel cluttered to have both in a plain text file or comment, where ASCII diagrams shine.
ithkuil 61 days ago [-]
Is there something that can turn those ascii diagrams back into mermaid sources?
I tried the first example with gpt-o1 and the result wasn't bad:
graph LR
A --> B --> D
A --> C
B --> C
D --> C
would a smaller model but fine tuned on many syntetic renderings do a better job?
jcgrillo 61 days ago [-]
It would be pretty cool to be able to draw a flowchart or graph on a tablet and have it automatically turned into mermaid source. That's exceptional compression.
ithkuil 61 days ago [-]
For me it's more about the ability of modifying the diagram in a predictable way
piedpiper99 62 days ago [-]
I supposed it's good for basic usage. I just tried a more complex graph and it didn't render well.
girvo 62 days ago [-]
Hah we rely on Mermaid a _heap_ at work for building internal dependency graphs from `yarn info` JSON data and a super lazy depth-first graph haha. Super useful, nice to see another renderer!
ts-directed-graph outputs Mermaid :)
This tool seems way more useful for hand-made ones, definitely bookmarking
danpalmer 62 days ago [-]
Out of interest have you managed to get Mermaid graphs rendering outside of a browser?
I was trying to do this a while back so I could do server side rendering of graphs, but it seemed to depend strongly on the presence of a DOM. Couldn’t quite get it working with JS-DOM either.
pjungwir 61 days ago [-]
I've used [mmdc](https://github.com/mermaid-js/mermaid-cli) to generate mermaid images from a Makefile. It looks like it is implemented with puppeteer, so perhaps it doesn't quite fit your request. But if you just want something you can use at the cli, it is great.
danpalmer 61 days ago [-]
Thanks. You're right, unfortunately this doesn't fit my needs, but I can see how it would be fine for CLI and casual use cases.
Are you planning to support more of mermaids features?
I tried one example where this could be useful to me - Mermaids gitGraph - and it looks like it's not supported.
AlexanderGrooff 61 days ago [-]
Yes, over the course of time I want to increase the coverage of the Mermaid syntax.
On a serious note, yes not all syntax noted in the Mermaid docs work yet. I'm planning on adding more coverage of the Mermaid syntax over time. For now the basics work and (hopefully) shows its potential.
prmoustache 61 days ago [-]
Yeah, first try I copy pasted the pie charts example wondering how it would render in ascii and was noooo
flykespice 62 days ago [-]
Wow! this will come pretty in hand when building plaintext documentation using diagrams.
nlake906 62 days ago [-]
love it, will definitely be using it for sketching documentation in comments for SQL sprocs, etc.
One request: support for self-reference, i.e. "A --> A", "A --> A & B"
AlexanderGrooff 62 days ago [-]
Thanks, that's a good suggestion. I'm also noticing that's not working as intended.
AlexanderGrooff 62 days ago [-]
Fixed in 0.5.0. Give it a try!
ewalk153 62 days ago [-]
This would be great to build into project readme workflows.
The "Example" buttons don't jump out at me; I found them but it took a while. Also consider labeling them with their point, e.g. "Example 3: Color"
If you change the input text to something well-formed, the graph seems to update immediately. But if you change it to something ill-formed, the graph doesn't update immediately — and then if you click "Generate" manually, it blanks the input box. Either this is a bug, or the "Generate" button doesn't do what I think it does (i.e. generate output). Again, adding a noun to the verb might help. Or just adding some usage information somewhere on the page.
For those like me who've never heard of "Mermaid," apparently it's like GraphViz's dot language but different. https://github.com/mermaid-js/mermaid I tried the flowchart example from Mermaid's own README, but it didn't come out right: looks like the shape characters [] and {} aren't handled.
https://ivanceras.github.io/svgbob-editor/
(ascii to diagram)
Typogram https://code.sgo.to/typograms/#installation
Markdeep https://casual-effects.com/markdeep/
svg bob editors https://ivanceras.github.io/bob-editor/ https://mbarkhau.github.io/asciigrid/
Ditaa https://ditaa.sourceforge.net/
Goat https://github.com/blampe/goat
Protocol https://www.luismg.com/protocol/
(dsl to ascii)
https://diagon.arthursonzogni.com/#Sequence
https://textart.io/sequence
https://weidagang.github.io/text-diagram/
https://diagwiz.io/playground/
https://github.com/lewish/asciiflow
https://github.com/tbanel/uniline/
Or, less ergonomically, the general rectangle-editing commands built into more powerful code editors e.g. Emacs.
With these, simple but fairly pretty box+line+text diagrams can be inlined with your source code comments. This unification may help in the perennial struggle to keep software architecture and source code reality in sync.
Also I used to use https://swimlanes.io/ before d2.
https://pikchr.org/
But now seriously.. the diagrams are working really well for simple examples, thank you so much for sharing this tool. I have bookmarked your page, my documentation is based on text files and often have to build these kind of diagrams too.
The example buttons took me a while to be found, but are good for syntax explanation. Thank you for making this available.
Small nit on layout: 90 degree joints should use "+" in the connecting lines, as they do in the boxes.
It's a macOS app and I've found it great. However if given an ASCII diagram, you cannot edit it with the same ease as creating a new one (e.g. reflowing text or resizing boxes).
I really like the idea of having the mermaid source and the ASCII diagram together, so you could use the source to change the diagram if needed. But I feel that would feel cluttered to have both in a plain text file or comment, where ASCII diagrams shine.
I tried the first example with gpt-o1 and the result wasn't bad:
would a smaller model but fine tuned on many syntetic renderings do a better job?ts-directed-graph outputs Mermaid :)
This tool seems way more useful for hand-made ones, definitely bookmarking
I was trying to do this a while back so I could do server side rendering of graphs, but it seemed to depend strongly on the presence of a DOM. Couldn’t quite get it working with JS-DOM either.
PS: it's open source so feel free to help out ;) https://github.com/AlexanderGrooff/mermaid-ascii
[1] https://nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html
project is called Mermaid ASCII -->|expectation| It supports mermaidjs syntax
It supports mermaidjs syntax -->|I tried| It doesn't
It doesn't -->|conclusion| I am a bit bummed
https://mermaid.js.org/syntax/examples.html
On a serious note, yes not all syntax noted in the Mermaid docs work yet. I'm planning on adding more coverage of the Mermaid syntax over time. For now the basics work and (hopefully) shows its potential.
One request: support for self-reference, i.e. "A --> A", "A --> A & B"
https://docs.github.com/en/get-started/writing-on-github/wor...
https://handbook.gitlab.com/handbook/tools-and-tips/#using-m...