This doesn't look like a print newspaper. Print newspapers are much denser (in general) and have different headline sizes to emphasize the editor's choice of stories. This looks like a corporate blog home page or something. Some people will like this presentation; I'm pretty happy with HN as it is. But congratulations on shipping!
aurbano 32 minutes ago [-]
That's a great observation actually! They should've made the design do that automatically based on story ranking
yaj54 1 hours ago [-]
are there any good online designs that actually look like a print newspaper, with the features you describe?
I've wanted to take a stab at it because I think it would be "neat" but haven't actually found any good reference implementations.
also seems like with almost everyone on mobile it's just not worth it.
llm_trw 8 minutes ago [-]
Papers only work because they know exactly what the view portal is and can design the layout relative to that. Unless you have an a3 sized screen this will not work very well online.
2big2fail_47 4 minutes ago [-]
i think the nytimes landing page does a good job at looking and feeling like an analogue newspaper
SoftTalker 4 hours ago [-]
For the rest of the news in a more HN-like format (at least at the top level) you might like https://lite.cnn.com/
Thanks for the feedback! Print newspaper's have curation, which this lacks. I guess the main thing it takes from newspapers is the image and blurb that help give you a preview of the story.
dangoor 3 hours ago [-]
There is a form of curation on HN and "editorial judgment" on HN and that's in the points a post has. A closer approximation of a newspaper would be possible by looking at the points of a post and maybe comparing that to other posts and then sizing headlines appropriately based on how "important" the HN community sees a given story.
nimbusega 3 hours ago [-]
Yes, I agree. I think I will change the design to have a hierarchy.
tessierashpool 3 hours ago [-]
this is exactly how my 2009 version (in my previous comment) chose to size and space its headlines
tessierashpool 3 hours ago [-]
I agree, but I'm biased. I built basically the same app as OP back in 2009 and it had different headline sizes like a newspaper:
I kept it running for 5 or 10 years but eventually let it die.
edit: I'm not hating on OP btw. their version has pics, which mine doesn't. just agreeing that I believe the visual hierarchy inherent to newspaper title design is an important benefit of the format.
lysace 3 hours ago [-]
> the visual hierarchy inherent to newspaper title design is an important benefit of the format
Agreed. This is also why old-school print design product catalogs often had superior presentation compared to today's web UIs for browsing hierarchically organized products. Everything is given the same visual weight and is formatted the same way.
Anyway, improving on what you did with the tooling that's easily available in 2024 but wasn't in 2009 seems like a fun challenge.
tessierashpool 2 hours ago [-]
yeah, digging up that screenshot (and the repo) really made me realize how primitive this solution was. it was also a very basic implementation of the whole headline sizes concept.
there was an app called Flipboard at the time which did something similar, but for different news sources, although its model of interactivity was a bit more gimmicky than the endless scroll. (which, for all its faults, is really simple and easy to use.)
A few years ago, a similar project was posted on HN that I thought was really cool too - E Ink smart screen puts a newspaper on your wall (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22831323).
All4All 2 hours ago [-]
All I get is "Failed to load stories," am I doing something wrong? Is there something I need to configure before things will load?
SamCoding 2 hours ago [-]
I just had the same problem and solved it. You have to switch off your adblocker.
All4All 2 hours ago [-]
Interesting, yup, looks like it was blocked by the network PiHole.
ideasphere 37 minutes ago [-]
It’s funny how frequently people try to reinvent the wheel re: how this site is laid out. It’s the best part about it!
SamCoding 2 hours ago [-]
I'm getting the an error of "Failed to fetch stories"
The console error is:
(index):464 Error loading stories: TypeError: Failed to construct 'URL': Invalid URL
at (index):482:36
at Array.forEach (<anonymous>)
at NewspaperApp.displayStories ((index):471:25)
at NewspaperApp.loadStories ((index):461:26)
at async NewspaperApp.initialize ((index):418:17)
Can anyone help? I really want to use this product it seems great.
SamCoding 2 hours ago [-]
Just fixed my own problem! You have to switch off your adblocker.
fdphoughton 5 hours ago [-]
This is pretty cool, it’s nice to have a clean interface that puts more focus on individual posts (as articles here) rather than tons of headlines where I feel I skim over posts a lot more (particularly the post about Jupiter only caught my attention on your site, not the front page).
I’d like if there was some support for customising it without liking and disliking so I could push topics I’m interested in first (e.g. those tagged with emacs). It would also be nice to hide the like and dislike buttons in general as it gives more of a social media feel that the newspaper style UI does well to shake.
stevage 19 minutes ago [-]
Interesting, for me it's a bit the opposite. In the standard view I really read every headline and consider what might be through the click. In this version I skim more in mindless scrolling fashion.
billpg 4 hours ago [-]
Anyone remember "Hacker Monthly"? Years ago it was a monthly PDF with nicely laid out copies of popular articles that had been highly voted on here.
kqr 3 hours ago [-]
They also printed physical magazines and shipped them out. It was the first time I received a professionally printed copy of something I had authored.
nimbusega 3 hours ago [-]
I made this to experiment with embeddings and explore how different ways of displaying information affect your perception.
It gets the top 100 stories, sends their html to GPT-4 to extract the main content (this was not producing good enough results with html parsing) and then gets an embedding using the title and content.
Likes/dislikes are stored in local storage and compared against all stories using cosine similarity to find the most relevant stories.
It costs about $10/day to run. I was thinking of offering additional value for a small subscription. Maybe more pages of the newspaper, full story content/comments, a weekly digest or ePub export or something?
ketzo 3 hours ago [-]
I think some of the highest value from HN comes from the comments, and it's much harder to find the "best" ones, since they might be in threads you might not have otherwise read.
Not sure if it's a "premium feature" so to speak, but would be very cool to extend this to comments generally.
nimbusega 2 hours ago [-]
Definitely, comments are usually better than the article. I thought of a 'Letters to the Editors' section that shows top comments (https://news.ycombinator.com/bestcomments) and references the parent story, but it might not be as useful without the context.
Maybe 'See Comments' here could load the comments on the same page? In a newspaper like style.
jzombie 2 hours ago [-]
> Likes/dislikes are stored in local storage and compared against all stories using cosine similarity to find the most relevant stories.
You're referring to using the embeddings for cosine similarity?
I am doing something similar with stocks. Taking several decades worth of 10-Q statements for a majority of stocks and weighted ETF holdings and using an autoencoder to generate embeddings that I run cosine and euclidean algorithms on via Rust WASM.
mahin 4 hours ago [-]
Nice! I recently worked on a chrome extension that personalizes the frontpage based on embeddings.
This is very nice! If you
- make it a pwa/web clip
- link to the discussions
- make the images colored again
I’d use it over the regular hacker news ui any day. I know your use case is printing it out, but it’s fantastic for usage on a tablet.
karaterobot 2 hours ago [-]
I guess you mean a digital newspaper with a layout inspired by print newspapers. It's definitely not a print newspaper, I know because I tried folding it in half to read on the train, and all that happened was my laptop screen broke.
cryptozeus 5 hours ago [-]
Good attempt but from the title I thought it would look like an actual print news paper
istillwritecode 5 hours ago [-]
For those who prefer scrolling to reading I guess.
vunderba 5 hours ago [-]
There was an iOS app from practically a decade ago that did something very similar, but you could customize with RSS feeds, and it would turn it into a traditional looking newspaper.
Sadly, I can't remember the name of it but it was pretty great.
headclone 5 hours ago [-]
I remember this app as well; “Flipreader” comes to mind but yields no Google results.
It was the peak of RSS for me, beautiful UX, customizable, all the posts in sequential order if I wanted instead of algorithms…
I remember it because useless when web publishers realized they were losing ad views to apps like these and all the posts became previews with links.
soylentcola 4 hours ago [-]
I believe you are thinking of Flipboard (still around, but a bit different nowadays).
franzkappa 4 hours ago [-]
I think you are referring to Flipboard, it is still in the AppStore
4 hours ago [-]
otras 4 hours ago [-]
A fun evolution would be to format it into a newspaper format, complete with headlines, front page, and "continue reading on page N", then print it out on large paper, fold it, and mail it to you.
There's probably no money in it, but a physical weekly customized RSS feed highlights newspaper would be neat.
The print stylesheets are also kind of broken. With my printer's default margins, the page becomes an overlapping mess: https://i.imgur.com/lTlFz4l.png
I've wanted to take a stab at it because I think it would be "neat" but haven't actually found any good reference implementations.
also seems like with almost everyone on mobile it's just not worth it.
https://github.com/jzombie/docker-lynx
https://github.com/gilesbowkett/hacker_newspaper/blob/master...
I kept it running for 5 or 10 years but eventually let it die.
edit: I'm not hating on OP btw. their version has pics, which mine doesn't. just agreeing that I believe the visual hierarchy inherent to newspaper title design is an important benefit of the format.
Agreed. This is also why old-school print design product catalogs often had superior presentation compared to today's web UIs for browsing hierarchically organized products. Everything is given the same visual weight and is formatted the same way.
Anyway, improving on what you did with the tooling that's easily available in 2024 but wasn't in 2009 seems like a fun challenge.
there was an app called Flipboard at the time which did something similar, but for different news sources, although its model of interactivity was a bit more gimmicky than the endless scroll. (which, for all its faults, is really simple and easy to use.)
A few years ago, a similar project was posted on HN that I thought was really cool too - E Ink smart screen puts a newspaper on your wall (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22831323).
The console error is: (index):464 Error loading stories: TypeError: Failed to construct 'URL': Invalid URL at (index):482:36 at Array.forEach (<anonymous>) at NewspaperApp.displayStories ((index):471:25) at NewspaperApp.loadStories ((index):461:26) at async NewspaperApp.initialize ((index):418:17)
Can anyone help? I really want to use this product it seems great.
I’d like if there was some support for customising it without liking and disliking so I could push topics I’m interested in first (e.g. those tagged with emacs). It would also be nice to hide the like and dislike buttons in general as it gives more of a social media feel that the newspaper style UI does well to shake.
It gets the top 100 stories, sends their html to GPT-4 to extract the main content (this was not producing good enough results with html parsing) and then gets an embedding using the title and content.
Likes/dislikes are stored in local storage and compared against all stories using cosine similarity to find the most relevant stories.
It costs about $10/day to run. I was thinking of offering additional value for a small subscription. Maybe more pages of the newspaper, full story content/comments, a weekly digest or ePub export or something?
Not sure if it's a "premium feature" so to speak, but would be very cool to extend this to comments generally.
Maybe 'See Comments' here could load the comments on the same page? In a newspaper like style.
You're referring to using the embeddings for cosine similarity?
I am doing something similar with stocks. Taking several decades worth of 10-Q statements for a majority of stocks and weighted ETF holdings and using an autoencoder to generate embeddings that I run cosine and euclidean algorithms on via Rust WASM.
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hn-explorer/amiaaon...
Sadly, I can't remember the name of it but it was pretty great.
It was the peak of RSS for me, beautiful UX, customizable, all the posts in sequential order if I wanted instead of algorithms…
I remember it because useless when web publishers realized they were losing ad views to apps like these and all the posts became previews with links.
There's probably no money in it, but a physical weekly customized RSS feed highlights newspaper would be neat.
https://i.imgur.com/5bbKiFc.png
And even with margins turned off, stories are split "across" pages in a way that makes them useless for printing: https://i.imgur.com/SvmTGa8.png Need to pay more attention to your "break-inside" properties: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/break-insid... (and switch from using JS-generated absolute styles to using a CSS column layout or masonry grid)
This post is not even on it.