I was a TN holder once and had company lawyers prepare my TN dossier so that it was watertight so I was never refused.
A refusal should only result in applicant being turned back and asked to try again after having addressed the shortcomings. There is nothing illegal about that.
Unless she is being held for something else that the story is not telling us about, refusal is no grounds for detention.
hw-guy 2 days ago [-]
In Trump's America, it is cruelty for its own sake. I'm sure he's especially gleeful about this happening to a Canadian.
josefritzishere 2 days ago [-]
Having incomplete paperwork is not a crime. Our tax dollars are paying for this insanity. It's immoral, and then for addded insult it's a giant waste of money. Prison is very expensive.
I wondered about this with the case of the german woman who was detained for months because she had tattoo equipment. If the logic is that she will work in the US, and take work that would have gone to an american tattoo engraver, that effort to prevent loss seems to be massively undercut by the expense of detention.
Prisons cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per year per prisoner. Keeping someone detained for months is going to cost tens of thousands of dollars, at least. Immediate deportation would be the most economical solution to someone attempting to enter without a valid visa.
This is again an indication that the effort isn't to save money, it's intimidation, possibly mixed with aiming additional revenue to the private prison industry.
In the case of this canadian woman, there doesn't even seem to be any indication that she was attempting to enter on a misleading visa type. It's just pure bullshit by DHS.
I live in San Diego, even crossing the border from TJ with a US passport entails dealing with some asshole being unnecessarily abusive. They seem to intentionally hire abusive people, and encourage abusive behavior on the job.
If someone doesn't have the necessary paperwork to enter the US, don't let them cross the border. ICE needs to get DOGEd, they're wasting a bunch of tax payer money on providing room and board to illegal immigrants.
2 days ago [-]
selfhoster 2 days ago [-]
"I don’t know how someone in her position can be subject to this"
She broke the law, it doesn't matter whether she is attractive, affluent and Canadian.
jeromegv 2 days ago [-]
She tried to enter with a visa application in her hand and declared it as such, is that what you call breaking the law?
moaf 2 days ago [-]
It's interesting how you read "her position" to mean "affluent, attractive Canadian who broke the law", and not "attempting to pass through a border crossing with an incomplete application for a Trade NAFTA work visa".
systems 2 days ago [-]
Well I do agree that this statement sounded bad, for me it sounded
"how can they treat her this way (inhumane) she is not a poor mexican"
its not ok to treat anyone inhumanely, no one ever, not just people in specific situation or from specific background
silverquiet 2 days ago [-]
The first lady seems to have come to the US under similar circumstances.
johnea 2 days ago [-]
and elon
hw-guy 2 days ago [-]
Read it again...she did not break any law. At most, she should have been given a chance to turn back and try again once she worked out the paperwork. But for Trumpists like you, the cruelty is icing on the cake.
f30e3dfed1c9 2 days ago [-]
"Mooney has not been charged with any crime."
temp84858696945 2 days ago [-]
You know the game Paper's Please?
Where you are running border security for a totalitarian communist state?
Even that game doesn't want you to detain people for having an improper work visa for entry, just turn them away.
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A refusal should only result in applicant being turned back and asked to try again after having addressed the shortcomings. There is nothing illegal about that.
Unless she is being held for something else that the story is not telling us about, refusal is no grounds for detention.
https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-s...
I wondered about this with the case of the german woman who was detained for months because she had tattoo equipment. If the logic is that she will work in the US, and take work that would have gone to an american tattoo engraver, that effort to prevent loss seems to be massively undercut by the expense of detention.
Prisons cost hundreds of thousands of dollars per year per prisoner. Keeping someone detained for months is going to cost tens of thousands of dollars, at least. Immediate deportation would be the most economical solution to someone attempting to enter without a valid visa.
This is again an indication that the effort isn't to save money, it's intimidation, possibly mixed with aiming additional revenue to the private prison industry.
In the case of this canadian woman, there doesn't even seem to be any indication that she was attempting to enter on a misleading visa type. It's just pure bullshit by DHS.
I live in San Diego, even crossing the border from TJ with a US passport entails dealing with some asshole being unnecessarily abusive. They seem to intentionally hire abusive people, and encourage abusive behavior on the job.
If someone doesn't have the necessary paperwork to enter the US, don't let them cross the border. ICE needs to get DOGEd, they're wasting a bunch of tax payer money on providing room and board to illegal immigrants.
She broke the law, it doesn't matter whether she is attractive, affluent and Canadian.
"how can they treat her this way (inhumane) she is not a poor mexican"
its not ok to treat anyone inhumanely, no one ever, not just people in specific situation or from specific background
Where you are running border security for a totalitarian communist state?
Even that game doesn't want you to detain people for having an improper work visa for entry, just turn them away.