I often think back to that 'dystopia simulator' LLM on HN years ago that would always plug an ad for Taco Bell or something after it's responses. That always seemed like the most plausible end game for all this stuff unfortunately.
wredcoll 31 minutes ago [-]
Just to pile on, an ad for literally taco bell is kinda the least worst case. Subtle additions about jews being evil or taxes being immoral seem far worse.
FloorEgg 24 minutes ago [-]
Or what about a persistent influence towards a victim mindset?
Convincing people to be dissatisfied with everything outside their control and sabotage everything within their control.
That sounds like a recipe for hell
cultofmetatron 22 minutes ago [-]
> Subtle additions about jews being evil or taxes being immoral seem far worse.
Zionists coopting Jewish identity to commit a genocide thats being livestreamed and paying for it with American tax dollars is doing that just fine. No fancy AI/LLM stuff needed
immibis 14 minutes ago [-]
Please don't push antisemitic conspiracy theories on HN, thanks.
henry2023 10 minutes ago [-]
Being against war crimes is not antisemitic. Suggesting that is in bad faith and you know it.
cultofmetatron 6 minutes ago [-]
cursious, what "antisemetic" conspiracy theory here did I push here? please explain
everdrive 4 hours ago [-]
As will all LLMs eventually if they're not already? One more service online to assiduously avoid. Or maybe just game? Get in an unprotected web browser and complain to the LLM how you just never have any money and can't make ends meet, and get better pricing? Might be too much effort vs. simply not buying stuff in the first place.
Proton had a sale and I wanted to try their services out, but they would not let me register while on Mullvad's VPN. Their support said to not use a VPN when registering.
I personally do not trust Proton.
Night_Thastus 5 minutes ago [-]
This seems like a bit of a silly reason to not trust a company. There's a small mountain of companies that won't let you register if you're behind a VPN, or using a less-common e-mail provider (ie: protonmail).
It's annoying but it's a bog standard technique for avoiding spam or fraud.
Sharlin 2 hours ago [-]
More likely you'll start getting ads trying to con you into taking payday loans or investing to crypto or Ponzi schemes or whatever.
captainkrtek 2 hours ago [-]
Ads will just be payday loans, job boards, etc.
otikik 2 hours ago [-]
"Re-structure your debt!" "Buy now pay later!"
Angostura 2 hours ago [-]
I still have faith that Apple won’t do this with Apple Intelligence
willvarfar 2 hours ago [-]
The App Store is full of paid search result placements etc. Search for app x and first result is competitor y etc. It's a slippery slope.
naikrovek 2 hours ago [-]
> It's a slippery slope.
it's really not. each individual step down that staircase is considered and intentional.
The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy.
RandomBacon 20 minutes ago [-]
I think you left off the "/s"
Yes, they will consider and intentionally take steps to make more money.
naikrovek 1 minutes ago [-]
no /s. it is literally a logical fallacy.
jjfoooo4 42 minutes ago [-]
I'm very curious to know what kind of adoption Meta's AI features are getting. The idea of anyone wanting to talk to AI persona's in a similar way to how they talk to their friends is completely bizarre to me, but they seem to be pushing it quite hard
munificent 34 minutes ago [-]
> The idea of anyone wanting to talk to AI persona's in a similar way to how they talk to their friends
You may be overestimating how many people have friends to talk to in the first place.
outside2344 2 hours ago [-]
I think this is the most positive thing that could happen. What's more likely is that the whole response stream is manipulated to sell us things (ideas, products).
AJ007 2 hours ago [-]
All of the future billion dollar model training runs might be for conversion rate optimization.
User mentions they didn't sleep well. Model delivers jarring information right before user's bed time. Model subtly suggests other sleep disruptive activities, user receives coupons for free coffee. User converts for ad for sleeping medication.
(This is already happening, intentionally or not)
Notably the open source models OpenAI released right before gpt5 are likely good enough to be substitutes for 95% of typical ChatGPT use cases.
pyrale 2 hours ago [-]
> What's more likely is that the whole response stream is manipulated to sell us things (ideas, products).
Even then, you still want additional advertising, so that people believe the manipulated responses are genuine.
jonplackett 3 hours ago [-]
How can anyone be surprised by this?
jimt1234 2 hours ago [-]
Exactly. And this is what curation has always been about - not giving you (the customer/user) what you want, rather, giving you what we want.
msukhareva 5 hours ago [-]
I am not even surprised. Eventually all this company will stop talking about AGI and curing cancer and will just turn LLMs into another way to sell stuff to people, just like OpenAI already did
hereme888 3 hours ago [-]
Are they the first among Big Tech to publicly indicate this?
zb3 1 hours ago [-]
So it begins.. first ChatGPT then Meta, Google will soon follow.
But for me this is also a sign their free chat products are deeply unsustainable.
tempodox 2 hours ago [-]
Just in case anyone was still in denial about Meta merely being facebook by another name. Everyone knows facebook is an ad company and as mercenary as they come. What was that renaming good for when they’re constantly reminding everyone that they haven’t changed one bit?
freedomben 3 hours ago [-]
Not surprised, but still disappointed. I would have bought some of the glasses a while ago, but haven't purely because of privacy concerns. At this point the big tech ship is so massive that I don't see anything short of a (metaphorical) nuke stopping it. Given how cozy they all are with the current administration, I also don't expect any hindrances for at least a few more years, by which time this will all be even more heavily entrenched.
Convincing people to be dissatisfied with everything outside their control and sabotage everything within their control.
That sounds like a recipe for hell
Zionists coopting Jewish identity to commit a genocide thats being livestreamed and paying for it with American tax dollars is doing that just fine. No fancy AI/LLM stuff needed
Proton has made an AI chatbot with an extreme focus on privacy: https://lumo.proton.me
I personally do not trust Proton.
It's annoying but it's a bog standard technique for avoiding spam or fraud.
it's really not. each individual step down that staircase is considered and intentional.
The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy.
Yes, they will consider and intentionally take steps to make more money.
You may be overestimating how many people have friends to talk to in the first place.
User mentions they didn't sleep well. Model delivers jarring information right before user's bed time. Model subtly suggests other sleep disruptive activities, user receives coupons for free coffee. User converts for ad for sleeping medication.
(This is already happening, intentionally or not)
Notably the open source models OpenAI released right before gpt5 are likely good enough to be substitutes for 95% of typical ChatGPT use cases.
Even then, you still want additional advertising, so that people believe the manipulated responses are genuine.
But for me this is also a sign their free chat products are deeply unsustainable.