But wait, I thought the big selling point for massive permanent tax cuts for the ultra wealthy in the "One Big Beautiful Bill" is that they would directly lead to jobs creation...?
lol. lmao.
BugsJustFindMe 1 hours ago [-]
It may feel cathartic to talk about hypocrisy and grift of right wing politics, but you should know that nobody responds to it. Saying "I told you so" doesn't work, even through snark. The people whom it would benefit you (and me, and mostly also them) to sway aren't swayed by it.
yifanl 19 minutes ago [-]
Isn't it exhausting playing tone police all the time? Respond to the substance of the post or not at all.
mooglevich 53 minutes ago [-]
What do you think a good faith person trying to persuade should do with this information?
(Legit question, not trying to throw out a gotcha. I've been wracking my brain about this, since I spiritually agree w/ you that throwing zingers aren't gonna help us all get on the same page, but I've been at a loss as to how to actually discuss these topics with people that seemed to have been taken in by...whatever it is that's going on.)
BugsJustFindMe 5 minutes ago [-]
You're probably not going to find this satisfying, but, online? For sure nothing.
Even in person, I'm not sure that there really is a way to persuade someone to change their politics in the modern media landscape, even if you get a lot of time alone with them one on one in person and you do everything right, because of what we know about media inundation and how people begin from their gut feelings and then work backwards to retcon details that align with those feelings.
You will have conversations where it seems like you've made some kind of progress, where it seems like you've earned some kind of credibility, where it seems like you've gained some kind of ground, and then the next day they will regress because the new thing they just saw will confirm their original vibes and the interpositions you created will be pushed out of mind and forgotten.
And this will happen over and over because the world is psychotically overrun by messaging from media empires that make mindbogglingly large amounts of money from outright conning people.
So, unless you have a few anti-billionaire billionaire friends thinking of starting media empires in your pocket, possibly the one thing you can do is run for local government.
tayo42 22 minutes ago [-]
Why assume the poster is trying to change anyone's opinion? Maybe the point was to be cathartic.
prepend 20 minutes ago [-]
I find catharsis is better in private.
If GP’s point is to be cathartic, then do so on your own time, etc etc
I kind of figured the point here was discussion, learning, development.
add-sub-mul-div 54 minutes ago [-]
"Swaying" doesn't happen abruptly in response to any one post, good or bad. It's a process and it takes time.
A critical mass of people in the middle have shown that they'll just get dragged by the Overton window wherever it goes. It does make a difference in the big picture whether bad policy is widely praised, mocked, or ignored.
BugsJustFindMe 36 minutes ago [-]
It is a process, but this isn't an effective method. People have been mocking MAGA stuff since the beginning, the response from followers is universally one of either outright dismissal or just not caring. Look at where things are now. Look at how much the mocking has any beneficial effect at all on anything.
add-sub-mul-div 5 minutes ago [-]
It's a passive process, there is no method. The zeitgeist is what it is. There's room for mockery, disgust, memes, cartoons, substantive analysis pieces, dispassionate think pieces. This is a comments section.
Calling attention to emerging actual MAGA policy failure is not the same as calling attention to pussy-grabbing being poor character.
Letting any of this become seen as normal/accepted is a non-starter. Even if things do continue to not change after this window of opportunity of bad results starting to emerge, there's room for things to get worse.
Non-acceptance of his first term did result in his electoral loss.
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lol. lmao.
(Legit question, not trying to throw out a gotcha. I've been wracking my brain about this, since I spiritually agree w/ you that throwing zingers aren't gonna help us all get on the same page, but I've been at a loss as to how to actually discuss these topics with people that seemed to have been taken in by...whatever it is that's going on.)
Even in person, I'm not sure that there really is a way to persuade someone to change their politics in the modern media landscape, even if you get a lot of time alone with them one on one in person and you do everything right, because of what we know about media inundation and how people begin from their gut feelings and then work backwards to retcon details that align with those feelings.
You will have conversations where it seems like you've made some kind of progress, where it seems like you've earned some kind of credibility, where it seems like you've gained some kind of ground, and then the next day they will regress because the new thing they just saw will confirm their original vibes and the interpositions you created will be pushed out of mind and forgotten.
And this will happen over and over because the world is psychotically overrun by messaging from media empires that make mindbogglingly large amounts of money from outright conning people.
So, unless you have a few anti-billionaire billionaire friends thinking of starting media empires in your pocket, possibly the one thing you can do is run for local government.
If GP’s point is to be cathartic, then do so on your own time, etc etc
I kind of figured the point here was discussion, learning, development.
A critical mass of people in the middle have shown that they'll just get dragged by the Overton window wherever it goes. It does make a difference in the big picture whether bad policy is widely praised, mocked, or ignored.
Calling attention to emerging actual MAGA policy failure is not the same as calling attention to pussy-grabbing being poor character.
Letting any of this become seen as normal/accepted is a non-starter. Even if things do continue to not change after this window of opportunity of bad results starting to emerge, there's room for things to get worse.
Non-acceptance of his first term did result in his electoral loss.