Psychological tip (and maybe an idea for a browser extension?):
- Never look at the sale percentage, just look at the price.
Yes, it might be "75% off!!", but is it still worth 200€ to you?
It takes some mental trickery and fortitude to drag your mind away from the "OMG IT WAS 800€ and now it's only 200!!" and only look at the current price vs features.
b3lvedere 1 hours ago [-]
I taught my children how to interpret some discounts.
"Dad! It says here the 2nd item is 50% off! That's a bargain!"
"So, what are you actually paying in total compared to the original price in total? And do you really need that 2nd item?"
refactor_master 39 minutes ago [-]
In relation to this, I really hate the South Korean convenience stores’ aggressive 2-for-1 on many of the most basic things, because you know you’re essentially being forced into buying the second item you didn’t need.
jmlim00 37 seconds ago [-]
I’ve heard that if you use the store’s app, you can just take one and“save” the extra item for free pickup at a later time. Never verified it myself though.
cloudexpat 1 hours ago [-]
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alias_neo 2 hours ago [-]
I don't buy stuff on Amazon just because it's on sale, but I do have a few things in my Wish List that I want to buy but only when they're at a price I'm happy with; many of them have been there for years.
Whenever I see a price change, and I'm not ready to buy, I add a note in the wish list notes with the current price, essentially tracking every price I see it at "by hand".
During sales I check back, and for ~90% of items in my list, they're higher not just than the lowest price I've recorded, but also many of the previously higher prices.
At this point I'm not even bothered about really ever buying much of this stuff on there, but it's fun to track the data even at a small scale like this.
I also use that 3 humps website regularly but they actually don't closely track fast changing prices day-by-day for all items. Therefore, I also track price changes manually myself.
Those blind spots happen for many items and my reverse-engineering guess is that they simply don't have the compute infrastructure to track/scrape all the millions of ASINs. Therefore, many price changes are completely missed. I'm sure they're doing the best they can but it seems like the only 100% accurate way to track price change history is for Amazon.com itself to offer it. Amazon likes to say they're "customer-oriented" and providing an official price history dashboard would help shoppers.
alias_neo 1 hours ago [-]
I do, but I read some while ago that there was some "deal" with Amazon that prevented them from tracking real sale prices, and it also can't account for voucher codes that apply at checkout.
I'm not sure if the former still stands, but on the whole, I've found CCC doesn't always have the actual best price I've recorded.
squidbeak 36 minutes ago [-]
You can just leave these items in your basket. You'll receive a notification whenever the price changes.
altacc 2 hours ago [-]
A few years ago I moved to a country that didn't have Amazon. At first it was frustrating as I didn't know where to shop but now I see it as a benefit with some downsides. Before trips back home I'll look on Amazon for some stuff I can't get here and I'm flooded with Aliexpress junk and sponsored placements for Aliexpress junk. Amazon is hideous in so many ways.
jmward01 2 hours ago [-]
The best way to save money on prime is to not buy stuff. Seriously.
wvh 2 hours ago [-]
The whole concept of buying something because it is cheap is weird.
I have a small list of items I think I will need in the near future; if it's not on that list, I'm not buying it, from anywhere, at any price. Maybe I'm a bit more ascetic than the average person, but I find it hard to imagine people just browsing lists of "cheap" stuff for hours to just buy stuff they don't need. And then being happy that they won because they paid less than some imaginary "full price".
stratocumulus0 9 minutes ago [-]
I know people who behave as if they had to spend money as quickly as possible every time they receive a paycheck. Their wish lists are just "ideas to spend money".
lm28469 1 hours ago [-]
The best way to use prime is to have 10 free accounts and wait for the "hey it's been a while do you want a free prime month?" emails
newsclues 2 hours ago [-]
Only buy stuff on sale that you’d pay full price for.
amelius 2 hours ago [-]
Then why have a "prime" subscription?
zurfer 2 hours ago [-]
"Amazon founder Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post, but I review all tech with the same critical eye."
Kudos
pjc50 2 hours ago [-]
I was surprised to see that. I wonder how long it'll stay up.
kace91 2 hours ago [-]
It’s common in the Post.
The problem isn’t that journalists don’t have what it takes to do that, the problem is that those people have been steadily resigning in protest or burning out for a while and eventually they’re all replaced.
ReptileMan 48 minutes ago [-]
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ahoka 2 hours ago [-]
Nothing new here, communist regimes used to have party clowns on payroll to criticize the system in a controlled way.
integralid 2 hours ago [-]
That's pretty rude to the journalist who wrote this article and made this analysis? What makes you think they're a clown or criticize the system "in a controlled way"?
llllm 9 minutes ago [-]
Subscribe for 30 years and form your own opinion, it’s cosplay journalism. If you insist on thumping your chest about your independence, you become a clown.
verisimi 47 minutes ago [-]
I think you will have been through a pretty thorough vetting process to get to work there (private schooling, university, connections in the industry, etc)? Or do you think they are there on the merit of their writing?
CrociDB 34 minutes ago [-]
when they do, bad. when we do, nothing new.
TrianguloY 47 minutes ago [-]
I've always wondered what would happen with a shop that never has sales. A shop where the prices are always the same, although they may occasionally increase them due to inflation, etc.
Such a shop will not get the surge of "oh look a discount, let me buy it" consumers, but people will probably realize that this way when you need something you can buy it on the spot, and it will always have the best price no matter when.
Does a shop like this exist, or existed?
jasode 42 minutes ago [-]
>I've always wondered what would happen with a shop that never has sales. A shop where the prices are always the same, [...] Does a shop like this exist, or existed?
An ex-Apple executive who ran the Apple retail stores tried that strategy with JC Penney and it didn't work:
It's a useful case study, but without a memory erasing device changing strategy like that is different from being a shop that truly never has sales.
barney54 41 minutes ago [-]
I don’t know of a shop that doesn’t have some sales at some time. Sales are just such powerful selling tools.
Factorio is a counter example. Factorio never goes on sale, which is kind of nice because when you buy it you know you couldn’t have gotten a better price, but without sales you aren’t as motivated to buy it for a lower price than usual.
wasmitnetzen 27 minutes ago [-]
German home improvement/hardware store chain Hornbach does that.[1] They still run ads though, quite aggressively.
Costco are pretty unobtrusive with their discounts. They have random coupons on things, but only for a small amount. Except, of course, for the famous inflation proofed loss leader $1.50 (£1.50 in the UK) hot dog.
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brorfred 35 minutes ago [-]
I think Trader Joe's is as close as you get to it?
DDerTyp 2 hours ago [-]
Obvious comment to various Amazon price trackers like https://keepa.com/
Is it accurate these days? I recall there was some point where Amazon locked them out of deal prices etc, and I guess it also doesn't account for vouchers that apply at checkout?
I was looking at one of the GMKTek Ryzen AI Max boxes and it's overpriced by ~£1000 with a ~£1000 voucher to apply at checkout; or is this part of some other "scheme"?
goobatrooba 2 hours ago [-]
I use these for various European Amazon (often cheaper to buy from the Amazon next door - and shipping is still free) and it's astonishing how bad they are. It's the new Amazon systems of vouchers (in € or %), temporary offers etc that these sites can't keep up with. I saw some products before prime day with a 20% voucher that were more expensive on prime day (10% reduced but no more voucher) but the price trackers showed them as cheapest ever.
Honestly at this point I compare rather with bol, idealo, guenstiger and tweakers and am then usually better off not buying from amazon.
alias_neo 1 hours ago [-]
I wonder what the scheme is here though; Why overprice something by ~50% and add a voucher for the same amount off; is it some sort of anti-deal tracking thing?
It always puts me off from buying something expensive because I wonder if somehow I could end up worse off (in terms of returns, or warranty or something) because I bought something that was X but only paid Y due to the voucher.
Realistically, I probably wouldn't buy a high-end computing product from Amazon anyway, unless is was notably cheaper than the specialists I'd normally buy from. Something like a £2000+ mini PC isn't the sort of thing the typical UK PC retailers I buy from would stock.
scns 38 minutes ago [-]
Geizhals factors in vouchers.
TheChaplain 2 hours ago [-]
Think what you will about Amazon, but they proved their usefulness to me last week.
It was two days before a birthday and I needed a present, which interestingly was as unusual as a spotting scope. I found it on Amazon, paid a tiny amount extra for express delivery, and it arrived the next day at lunch time. Fully functional, no scams or trickery.
Before I bought it, I checked with all shops in mine and nearby cities, no luck. I went on PriceRunner, where the cheapest option was 30% more expensive and everyone had (at best) 3-5 days delivery. Then as a last check, I went on Amazon.
I don't love Amazon, there seem to be a lot of things that doesn't seem right. Plus they easily push out small shops everywhere.
But they do deliver.
gorbachev 40 minutes ago [-]
The reason you can only find things in Amazon is that they've driven all other vendors out.
philipallstar 2 hours ago [-]
Indeed. I don't really see all the problems people have with it. It's not perfect but it's extremely reliable on average.
lopis 45 minutes ago [-]
Human rights violations and unfair business practices. But other than that they are great.
pedrogpimenta 1 hours ago [-]
I agree. I would just like that they didn't have to exploit workers. It seems something that could be done. Have more people taking smaller or less frenetic shifts and pay them the same or more. It can be doable, seeing the amount of money Bezos amasses, right? I love the service but despise how the workers are treated. And nothing compares, there's no real competition.
gorbachev 29 minutes ago [-]
This is why I never buy anything from Amazon unless I track prices in one of two ways:
1. camelcamelcamel.com
2. Add the product in my shopping cart and follow the price movement until I see the price drop down enough
jimnotgym 1 hours ago [-]
I feel like my move to Amazon over the last 25 years has been little to do with price and more a symptom of my lack of free time when shops are open. I simply can't get to most physical stores during the week. And my weekends are rammed with all the things I didn't get to do during the week...
Then there is the issue of what physical stores have done to become more competitive. In many cases they have reduced their range. So now I'm worried that they simply won't have what I need.
Havoc 29 minutes ago [-]
Just copy the link into camelcamelcamel and look at the price history
ChildOfChaos 1 hours ago [-]
It's about convivence. It's not been about big ticket items for me on such days lately, but more to stock up on essentials, prime day is a day I can assure they are usually all on 'offer' at the same time so it makes it easy to do a large order of everything and stock up.
Sure, might not be the absolute best price of the year, but it's a decent price for everything all at the same time, with the odd bigger ticket stuff if a real deal exists.
This year I bought a lot of household items, toiletries and even a few food cupboard items, all of which according to price tracker plugins are about the lowest they get to, even if they go that price sometimes throughout the year, it's a great time to do one big shop and not have to deal with the pain of receiving so many deliveries.
I don't see it as an issue, what amazon does is what everyone else does on their sales, you just need to do your research and stay aware, like with anything.
glimshe 2 hours ago [-]
I don't have prime and only buy from Amazon occasionally. I have nothing against them, I simply don't see the value.
toofy 2 hours ago [-]
ive said it before and at the risk of sounding repetitive:
ive almost entirely stopped shopping online. it was rough at first, particularly since i kind of fell out of the loop on which stores carry what, but once i mostly figured that out its honestly so much nicer.
almost all of my christmas gifts were done at actual stores. and just everyday shit like random car lights to clothes to picture frames to bookshelves to random little gifts to journal notebooks, etc... its been such an improvement.
i kept finding myself sending back ridiculous amounts of stuff because the pictures and descriptions were either outright misleading, outright lying, or i just wouldnt read close enough. its pretty rad to hold the item in your hand, know exactly the size, the weight, feeling, color, material, etc... and just know you're getting exactly what you want right now in the exact moment.
and the thing that surprised me the most? how much i actually enjoy people. i know it sounds entirely ridiculous but even just being helped by someone or checked out by a person felt right. ive never been an anti-social or anxious person, ive always had regular social life with friends and coworkers, but shopping with real people was working a social muscle that i hadn't realized was atrophying so badly.
and it gave me an excuse to get out of the house often for something other than work or partying.
anyway, of course amazon was going to go this way, we see it over and over and over again. none of us are shocked.
These events are just so tiring and exhausting in the public eye.
First it was Prime Day. Now it’s Prime Big Deal Days. Then all the other retailers have to jump on “deal week” and “deal day” campaigns and equally make a bunch of loud, useless noise for sales that have little to no actual discount.
Anyone else up for some sales fatigue?
boobsbr 2 hours ago [-]
Everybody does the same on Black Friday sales.
rokkamokka 2 hours ago [-]
This is illegal in the EU, they still pulled the same shit here. Let's hope they're fined for it.
PinguTS 2 hours ago [-]
Yes and no. The prices are increased about 1 month in advance. With that the average price of the last 4 weeks is increased and then you have your rebate, which is legal.
supermatt 2 hours ago [-]
> that the average price of the last 4 weeks
The discount must be referenced on the LOWEST price 30 days prior to a sale, not the average.
integralid 2 hours ago [-]
This still works if prices are increased a month before, right?
IshKebab 37 minutes ago [-]
Yeah they definitely don't keep it high for 30 days though. One or two maybe.
supermatt 2 minutes ago [-]
There wouldn't be much point in that, as when they promote a discount the price they compare it to would need to be the LOWEST over the previous 30 days.
hk__2 2 hours ago [-]
> With that the average price of the last 4 weeks is increased and then you have your rebate, which is legal.
It’s the lowest that count, not the average. Otherwise you could just put all items at $100k for one hour every night to put the average very high.
Ray20 1 hours ago [-]
What's illegal? Changing prices? Giving discounts? As I understand it, the EU, as always, is using solutions to problems that are worse than the problems themselves.
And so, instead of a situation where the price, taking into account the fake discount, becomes, on average, a little higher on the day of the sale, we get a situation where... the price, taking into account the fake discount, becomes, on average, a little higher on the day of the sale, and much higher the whole month before that.
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lm28469 59 minutes ago [-]
People defending megacorps and their lobbyist pulling the most abject tricks and showcasing how morally bankrupt they are will always be an enigma to me... "b-bu-but it's legal"
Msurrow 42 minutes ago [-]
Doubling the Price of something today and then tomorrow putting it on 50% sale (at the same price as yesterday). That’s illegal in EU. As it should be.
high_na_euv 47 minutes ago [-]
Manipulating the buyer that he buys something on discount when in reality it isn't?
thefz 2 hours ago [-]
By using camelcamelcamel or keepa it's easy to spot the fake deals, who get a bump in price the day before only to get a "discount" for the promotion day.
Aside, keep a list of things you need and don't buy anything just because it's on sale.
Simulacra 2 hours ago [-]
I remember reading the first serious book about Sam Walton and Walmart. Walton had this thing where he would put two bins of identical flip-flops side-by-side. One would be marked a dollar up, one would be marked a dollar down. People would always bought the cheaper, and then Walton would just shovel the flip-flops from the expensive bin to the cheaper bin. Walmart, Amazon, and just about every other retail has been playing us forever. But Amazon takes it to an art form.
tomsmeding 2 hours ago [-]
I don't doubt there are interesting things in that book, but this particular one feels just so unsurprising: people are likely to notice that the flip-flops in the two bins are remarkably similar, and see that one is cheaper. They don't see a reason to buy the more expensive one so they choose the cheaper one.
It would have been more interesting had people chosen the more expensive one. There is a folk theory that you can get people to do this if you add an even more expensive option -- the "middle" option is the most attractive.
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IshKebab 38 minutes ago [-]
No shit. Honestly if you aren't using one of those price tracking extensions on Amazon you're doing it wrong. I use Keepa.
It's amazing how many product prices are now a square wave. Look at this for example and feel sorry for the people that paid £100.
Anyway if you browse with one of these extensions on Prime day it's very obvious how much of a lie their deals are. They're usually the lowest price that something has been available, but also usually they've been at that price before in the last few months.
Rendered at 11:06:05 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) with Vercel.
- Never look at the sale percentage, just look at the price.
Yes, it might be "75% off!!", but is it still worth 200€ to you?
It takes some mental trickery and fortitude to drag your mind away from the "OMG IT WAS 800€ and now it's only 200!!" and only look at the current price vs features.
"Dad! It says here the 2nd item is 50% off! That's a bargain!" "So, what are you actually paying in total compared to the original price in total? And do you really need that 2nd item?"
Whenever I see a price change, and I'm not ready to buy, I add a note in the wish list notes with the current price, essentially tracking every price I see it at "by hand".
During sales I check back, and for ~90% of items in my list, they're higher not just than the lowest price I've recorded, but also many of the previously higher prices.
At this point I'm not even bothered about really ever buying much of this stuff on there, but it's fun to track the data even at a small scale like this.
E.g. this ant insecticide was recently on sale for $15.99 during Oct 7 & 8 and yet that lower price was invisible to camelcamelcamel: https://camelcamelcamel.com/Miller-8150120-24-Ounce-Disconti...
Those blind spots happen for many items and my reverse-engineering guess is that they simply don't have the compute infrastructure to track/scrape all the millions of ASINs. Therefore, many price changes are completely missed. I'm sure they're doing the best they can but it seems like the only 100% accurate way to track price change history is for Amazon.com itself to offer it. Amazon likes to say they're "customer-oriented" and providing an official price history dashboard would help shoppers.
I'm not sure if the former still stands, but on the whole, I've found CCC doesn't always have the actual best price I've recorded.
I have a small list of items I think I will need in the near future; if it's not on that list, I'm not buying it, from anywhere, at any price. Maybe I'm a bit more ascetic than the average person, but I find it hard to imagine people just browsing lists of "cheap" stuff for hours to just buy stuff they don't need. And then being happy that they won because they paid less than some imaginary "full price".
Kudos
The problem isn’t that journalists don’t have what it takes to do that, the problem is that those people have been steadily resigning in protest or burning out for a while and eventually they’re all replaced.
Such a shop will not get the surge of "oh look a discount, let me buy it" consumers, but people will probably realize that this way when you need something you can buy it on the spot, and it will always have the best price no matter when.
Does a shop like this exist, or existed?
An ex-Apple executive who ran the Apple retail stores tried that strategy with JC Penney and it didn't work:
https://www.google.com/search?q=jc+penny+everyday+low+price+...
Factorio is a counter example. Factorio never goes on sale, which is kind of nice because when you buy it you know you couldn’t have gotten a better price, but without sales you aren’t as motivated to buy it for a lower price than usual.
[1]: https://www.hornbach.de/services/die-hornbach-dauertiefpreis...
I was looking at one of the GMKTek Ryzen AI Max boxes and it's overpriced by ~£1000 with a ~£1000 voucher to apply at checkout; or is this part of some other "scheme"?
Honestly at this point I compare rather with bol, idealo, guenstiger and tweakers and am then usually better off not buying from amazon.
It always puts me off from buying something expensive because I wonder if somehow I could end up worse off (in terms of returns, or warranty or something) because I bought something that was X but only paid Y due to the voucher.
Realistically, I probably wouldn't buy a high-end computing product from Amazon anyway, unless is was notably cheaper than the specialists I'd normally buy from. Something like a £2000+ mini PC isn't the sort of thing the typical UK PC retailers I buy from would stock.
It was two days before a birthday and I needed a present, which interestingly was as unusual as a spotting scope. I found it on Amazon, paid a tiny amount extra for express delivery, and it arrived the next day at lunch time. Fully functional, no scams or trickery.
Before I bought it, I checked with all shops in mine and nearby cities, no luck. I went on PriceRunner, where the cheapest option was 30% more expensive and everyone had (at best) 3-5 days delivery. Then as a last check, I went on Amazon.
I don't love Amazon, there seem to be a lot of things that doesn't seem right. Plus they easily push out small shops everywhere.
But they do deliver.
1. camelcamelcamel.com 2. Add the product in my shopping cart and follow the price movement until I see the price drop down enough
Then there is the issue of what physical stores have done to become more competitive. In many cases they have reduced their range. So now I'm worried that they simply won't have what I need.
Sure, might not be the absolute best price of the year, but it's a decent price for everything all at the same time, with the odd bigger ticket stuff if a real deal exists.
This year I bought a lot of household items, toiletries and even a few food cupboard items, all of which according to price tracker plugins are about the lowest they get to, even if they go that price sometimes throughout the year, it's a great time to do one big shop and not have to deal with the pain of receiving so many deliveries.
I don't see it as an issue, what amazon does is what everyone else does on their sales, you just need to do your research and stay aware, like with anything.
ive almost entirely stopped shopping online. it was rough at first, particularly since i kind of fell out of the loop on which stores carry what, but once i mostly figured that out its honestly so much nicer.
almost all of my christmas gifts were done at actual stores. and just everyday shit like random car lights to clothes to picture frames to bookshelves to random little gifts to journal notebooks, etc... its been such an improvement.
i kept finding myself sending back ridiculous amounts of stuff because the pictures and descriptions were either outright misleading, outright lying, or i just wouldnt read close enough. its pretty rad to hold the item in your hand, know exactly the size, the weight, feeling, color, material, etc... and just know you're getting exactly what you want right now in the exact moment.
and the thing that surprised me the most? how much i actually enjoy people. i know it sounds entirely ridiculous but even just being helped by someone or checked out by a person felt right. ive never been an anti-social or anxious person, ive always had regular social life with friends and coworkers, but shopping with real people was working a social muscle that i hadn't realized was atrophying so badly.
and it gave me an excuse to get out of the house often for something other than work or partying.
anyway, of course amazon was going to go this way, we see it over and over and over again. none of us are shocked.
First it was Prime Day. Now it’s Prime Big Deal Days. Then all the other retailers have to jump on “deal week” and “deal day” campaigns and equally make a bunch of loud, useless noise for sales that have little to no actual discount.
Anyone else up for some sales fatigue?
The discount must be referenced on the LOWEST price 30 days prior to a sale, not the average.
It’s the lowest that count, not the average. Otherwise you could just put all items at $100k for one hour every night to put the average very high.
And so, instead of a situation where the price, taking into account the fake discount, becomes, on average, a little higher on the day of the sale, we get a situation where... the price, taking into account the fake discount, becomes, on average, a little higher on the day of the sale, and much higher the whole month before that.
Aside, keep a list of things you need and don't buy anything just because it's on sale.
It would have been more interesting had people chosen the more expensive one. There is a folk theory that you can get people to do this if you add an even more expensive option -- the "middle" option is the most attractive.
It's amazing how many product prices are now a square wave. Look at this for example and feel sorry for the people that paid £100.
https://keepa.com/#!product/2-B0DNG35BVM
Often they are even more predictable and switch between the high and low price every two weeks. I have no idea why. Here's an example:
https://keepa.com/#!product/2-B08W241HPW
Anyway if you browse with one of these extensions on Prime day it's very obvious how much of a lie their deals are. They're usually the lowest price that something has been available, but also usually they've been at that price before in the last few months.