One of the most interest facts about this disaster is that if the submarine was standing on its tail straight up, its nose would be sticking 150ft OUT of the water it sunk in.
petepete 54 minutes ago [-]
It was 155m long and the ocean was 108m deep, in case anyone else was wondering.
thedanbob 2 hours ago [-]
And yet even in that shallow of water the pressure would have been around 10 atm. It's amazing how dangerous something as mundane as water can be.
lencastre 1 hours ago [-]
nothing but respect for water
atomicnumber3 1 hours ago [-]
Definitely a strong contender for favorite 3-atom molecule
fusslo 51 minutes ago [-]
The description of the survivors last hours is horrifying.
jvuygbbkuurx 1 hours ago [-]
That is an absolute unit. The photos at the end with people inside the wreck put it in perspective.
The story depresses me a little. One of the greatest engineering marvels in history, destroyed by stereotypical Russian negligence, incompetence and corruption and more then 100 lives lost in the process. The Soviets for all their many sins were at least capable of building incredible things, the protections on the nuclear reactor held up, for example, preventing a massive environmental catastrophe.
giraffe_lady 55 minutes ago [-]
It's stereotypical now but I remember at the time this was taken as a kind of confirmation that russia had been coasting on and also neglecting a lot of the soviet-era infrastructure. It's hard to reflect back now but in 2000 the soviet collapse was recent memory and the role and effectiveness of its successor was an open question, internationally.
I do remember that in the 90s the "russia understanders" were split into two camps: now that russia is free of the shackles of communism it will step into its destiny as supreme global superpower vs the soviet system was actually quite effective at large scale mundane infrastructure & logistics in a way the russian federation isn't.
By 2000 the weight of evidence was already fairly strong for the second view but this disaster, and especially their response to it, really settled the matter. This is how I remember feeling about it all anyway.
Gagarin1917 50 minutes ago [-]
Russia had roughly half the population as compared to the Soviet Union. There’s just no way they could have ever competed on the global stage the same way.
mitthrowaway2 33 minutes ago [-]
If one took the view that communism was holding back roughly half of their their potential, then it would have been a reasonable prediction.
Klaster_1 3 hours ago [-]
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Mikhail_Edoshin 2 hours ago [-]
Chomsky wrote that Western media publishes only what is "useful" for certain ends, usually political. So you think the article is useful, don't you?
brookst 2 hours ago [-]
I found the story and photos entirely haunting. Those sailers had no chance.
tokai 30 minutes ago [-]
The survivors possibly had a change if Russia had accepted the offer for help from the Norwegian rescue divers right away.
gbuk2013 13 minutes ago [-]
From the article
> Analysts concluded that 23 sailors survived the initial blasts and took refuge in the small ninth compartment at the rear of the submarine.
> Evidence suggests they remained alive for more than six hours. When oxygen grew scarce, they attempted to replace a potassium superoxide chemical oxygen cartridge, but it fell into the oily seawater pooling on the floor and exploded on contact.
> The resulting fire killed several crew members and triggered a flash fire that consumed what remained of the oxygen, asphyxiating the last survivors.
That does not suggest a possibility of a foreign rescue vessel making it there in time.
pavel_lishin 2 hours ago [-]
Reading a note written by a sailor, in the dark, by feel, estimating his changes to be 10%, certainly felt haunting to me.
infecto 2 hours ago [-]
Found it pretty haunting myself. You could pick a different descriptive word but haunting fits.
ahhhhnoooo 2 hours ago [-]
I found several photos haunting.
giraffe_lady 2 hours ago [-]
Being able to look at a full actual likeness of a person who is dead is incomprehensibly novel to human experience. It has never stopped giving me chills.
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I do remember that in the 90s the "russia understanders" were split into two camps: now that russia is free of the shackles of communism it will step into its destiny as supreme global superpower vs the soviet system was actually quite effective at large scale mundane infrastructure & logistics in a way the russian federation isn't.
By 2000 the weight of evidence was already fairly strong for the second view but this disaster, and especially their response to it, really settled the matter. This is how I remember feeling about it all anyway.
> Analysts concluded that 23 sailors survived the initial blasts and took refuge in the small ninth compartment at the rear of the submarine.
> Evidence suggests they remained alive for more than six hours. When oxygen grew scarce, they attempted to replace a potassium superoxide chemical oxygen cartridge, but it fell into the oily seawater pooling on the floor and exploded on contact.
> The resulting fire killed several crew members and triggered a flash fire that consumed what remained of the oxygen, asphyxiating the last survivors.
That does not suggest a possibility of a foreign rescue vessel making it there in time.