Switching software [0] which has a repository on Codeberg [1] and an account on the fediverse [2]. It is not focused directly on EU alternatives, but:
> switching.software is a grassroots website, that is trying to let people know about ethical and easy-to-use alternatives to well-known websites, apps and other software. It is specifically aimed at a non-technical audience.
Thanks! I've known about them and have used them to filter and find software, but as you mentioned, it doesn't focus on EU alternatives, so it's a bit more work when I'm focused on that, but they've definitely been useful in the past to me!
This is really nice, I appreciate anyone who will give more info out about it, I like the categories too, maybe some more tags would be nice for specifics but it's good. I also like you host in the EU too. I've seen some doing similar that were hosted in the AWS US region.
BrunoBernardino 16 minutes ago [-]
Wow, this looks really good at a glance and I will take a good look later, thanks!
pentacent_hq 41 minutes ago [-]
Nice!
the_humblest 4 minutes ago [-]
PSA, this isn't satire, it's a real site. Take it seriously.
valentinconan 33 minutes ago [-]
I had this website in my bookmarks https://www.goeuropean.org/, but I'm not sure if it's up to date. If that helps...
BrunoBernardino 24 minutes ago [-]
Thanks, didn't know about it, will look into it!
Temporary_31337 57 minutes ago [-]
Curious about the motivation. The current conflict in Iran once again reminds us of how it;s all intertwined.
The blockade of Strait of Hormuz means helium shortages means no chip production, means your EU based alternative is not getting chips so you really don't have an alternative unless you can somehow magically wish a whole fairly alternative supply chain of EU based rare minerals, fabs, nvidias etc
BrunoBernardino 37 minutes ago [-]
Thanks for the question. I edited the post above to make my intentions (and lack of them in certain political and social aspects) clearer.
bilekas 38 minutes ago [-]
It's the global economy. It's actually a good thing to promote peace between people with differences. But when one person or group decides they know better it messes everyone up. The idea was that the global economic interconnection would discourage it, now things are moving towards a no trust environment.
Europe is working towards being independent or at least not so heavy dependent, it's a good thing, but in the long term this idea of isolation for everyone isn't great.
lwansbrough 53 minutes ago [-]
1 step at a time until the Americans wake the fuck up
tuwtuwtuwtuw 46 minutes ago [-]
Many people in EU wants to distance themselves wherever possible from US. It's not an all-or-nothing. Of course people will continue to use Nvidia, Netflix and so on, but if there are European options then many people prefer that.
bilekas 36 minutes ago [-]
> Many people in EU wants to distance themselves wherever possible from US.
Yes, but only because the trust was broken by the US. For so long the EU was very happy to work with the US with trade, we both benefited.
fsflover 21 minutes ago [-]
Perhaps a better legal framework for privacy (GDPR)?
jauco 1 hours ago [-]
I generally just search around.
Btw: if you are interested in this, note that it often isn’t clear cut where a company is from.
For example: https://european-alternatives.eu/product/zitadel bills itself as a swiss company, and it might technically be one, but it looks very much like a general SF startup to me (business address in sf, all investors are US based)
ffo 1 hours ago [-]
Zitadel CEO here :-)
Zitadel started in Switzerland under the name CAOS AG and has still a lot of its operations in Europe. For our US go to market strategy we incorporated Zitadel Inc. which operates out of SF where I also tend to be.
Happy to share more if interested
jauco 1 hours ago [-]
Thanks for the clarification! Does the AG still exist?
And I think this speaks to my point that it isn’t a simple yes/no question :)
The matter is definitely more complex than yes and no... my general stand has been that jurisdiction matters a lot when you store and process data from customers, like many cloud services do. iIt matters less if you can take a software and self-host it.
BrunoBernardino 33 minutes ago [-]
Great point, including the CEO reply. I know it's not simple/easy/binary, which is why having a starting list is incredibly helpful! I also search around a lot in other lists, like awesome privacy [1] and awesome self-hosted [2].
I am working on IronCalc[1]. A spreadsheet engine. We are not an alternative yet. As it is not a finished product. But, if we are successful, we should be a good alternative to traditional spreadsheet software.
I can vouch for using Hetzner for storage (and cloud VPS). TIL Scaleway offers Glacier, which is even slightly cheaper than Hetzner. Might look into that for redundancy. Thanks!
momo_dev 31 minutes ago [-]
for cloud/VPS hosting hetzner has been solid for me. their object storage is S3-compatible and way cheaper than AWS. the only downside is the region options are limited to EU which is actually a feature if you're targeting EU users. for the directory question, euro-stack.com linked above looks more maintained than european-alternatives.eu. i also just search "X alternative EU" whenever i need something specific
BrunoBernardino 17 minutes ago [-]
Thanks! I'm also a happy Hetzner customer (for 4 or 5 years now?), can vouch for their object and box storage, and cloud VPS. I also already loved learning about euro-stack.com and end up doing the same as you (searching for EU alternative).
sam_lowry_ 60 minutes ago [-]
Amazon, Google and Microsoft all have now Digital Sovereignty positions and crooks of all kinds fill the niches.
Nothing unusual here.
maxdo 15 minutes ago [-]
here is how MEGA movement started in tech( make europe great again), with Orban in charge :)
simianwords 26 minutes ago [-]
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nhatcher 20 minutes ago [-]
Wrong thread?
simianwords 8 minutes ago [-]
thank you, apologies
dijksterhuis 21 minutes ago [-]
wrong thread?
dmitrygr 1 hours ago [-]
> haven't really seen updates in categories/apps for at least 6 months
It is going through GDPR review, then permitting, and then a few other country-specific reviews. Check back in 6-11 years.
MarcelinoGMX3C 4 minutes ago [-]
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the_humblest 1 hours ago [-]
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jurgenaut23 1 hours ago [-]
No, satire would be “benefits of living in the USA”
cindyllm 1 hours ago [-]
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melon_tusk 29 minutes ago [-]
The EU are the ones freezing people's bank accounts and cancelling everyone they don't like, sanctioning people countries for not being woke enough, etc. I'd much rather use US based services or self-hosting.
ex-aws-dude 35 minutes ago [-]
Instead of Apache Server I migrated to EuroApache Server
Its similar but slightly less friendly and doesn't require a tip
stronglikedan 36 minutes ago [-]
Just use whatever works best for you. Why bother wasting brain cells on where it comes from? Seems like extra steps for the sake of it.
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> switching.software is a grassroots website, that is trying to let people know about ethical and easy-to-use alternatives to well-known websites, apps and other software. It is specifically aimed at a non-technical audience.
[0] https://switching.software/
[1] https://codeberg.org/swiso/website
[2] https://fedifreu.de/@switchingsoftware
Europe is working towards being independent or at least not so heavy dependent, it's a good thing, but in the long term this idea of isolation for everyone isn't great.
Yes, but only because the trust was broken by the US. For so long the EU was very happy to work with the US with trade, we both benefited.
Btw: if you are interested in this, note that it often isn’t clear cut where a company is from.
For example: https://european-alternatives.eu/product/zitadel bills itself as a swiss company, and it might technically be one, but it looks very much like a general SF startup to me (business address in sf, all investors are US based)
Zitadel started in Switzerland under the name CAOS AG and has still a lot of its operations in Europe. For our US go to market strategy we incorporated Zitadel Inc. which operates out of SF where I also tend to be.
Happy to share more if interested
And I think this speaks to my point that it isn’t a simple yes/no question :)
The matter is definitely more complex than yes and no... my general stand has been that jurisdiction matters a lot when you store and process data from customers, like many cloud services do. iIt matters less if you can take a software and self-host it.
[1]: https://github.com/lissy93/awesome-privacy
[2]: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted
[1] https://wwww.ironcalc.com
[1] https://www.scaleway.com/en/glacier-cold-storage/ [2] https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box/
Nothing unusual here.
It is going through GDPR review, then permitting, and then a few other country-specific reviews. Check back in 6-11 years.
Its similar but slightly less friendly and doesn't require a tip