It's unfortunate that instant coffee has such as a bad reputation in the US. In Australia, instant coffee is very common; it's pretty good.
I would much prefer a cup of instant coffee to most coffee that is served at diners, brunch/lunch restaurants, etc. in the US. I prefer espresso still, but there's a lot of burnt tasting coffee in America.
xhevahir 35 minutes ago [-]
In lots of Latin America instant is preferred. I don't remember but I think the historical explanation is that the whole beans were exported to wealthier markets, and the poorer consumers of coffee-growing regions had to settle for the cheaper product, which they eventually came to prefer.
odux 1 hours ago [-]
In Australia all coffee is pretty good. I visited Sydney fora week a couple years ago for business and the lattes and espressos blew my mind. I have had good coffee but that is a whole different level. After I have always been picky about coffee (mostly espresso drinks) and now I am even more pickier thanks to the amazing coffee I had there.
MikeTheGreat 4 hours ago [-]
Thanks for posting this!
I started using instant coffee in hot chocolate as a quick DIY mocha, mainly because the cost-caffeine ratio was sooooo much better than beans (ground or whole) and the mix of ingredients that doesn't trigger any reflux (unlike the 400 mg / serving powdered energy drink I had been guzzling).
Which is to say - this is a fun and interesting article about something I had just been taking for granted. It's really neat to learn about the trials and tribulations that folks went through to figure it out.
Thanks for posting it! :)
red369 1 hours ago [-]
Piggybacking off your comment to advertise my new favourite. Very quick, and gets me having some of the protein powder I'm supposed to be drinking anyway. Does result in having to wash a blender though :)
Blend:
- Instant coffee (caffeinated or decaf)
- 1/2 serve of chocolate flavoured protein powder (unfortunately this is obviously a vague/unhelpful quantity)
- Milk
- Ice cubes
TacticalCoder 4 hours ago [-]
> ... and the mix of ingredients that doesn't trigger any reflux
Ah reflux! I drink way too much coffee since forever and recently asked my doc about it: he told me that if I had no reflux, then I simply shouldn't worry about it. Some people have reflux with coffee, others don't. I drink more coffee than 99% of the population and I get zero reflux. Since decades.
It's a cool article but in a way many coffee became instant coffee: as my coffee machine is often already warm (wife btw she's also a heavy coffee drinker), it's actually more instant to have my full auto coffee machine ground the beans and make a coffee than it'd take to boil water for an instant coffee. Same for the people doing the (very costly compared to beans) capsule coffee thing: it's ultra quick (and one of the reason capsule coffee like Nespresso conquered so many).
P.S: I'll try your mocha trick!
marcellus23 3 hours ago [-]
> I drink more coffee than 99% of the population
How much is that?
kiddico 3 hours ago [-]
"I am very happy despite the rats, the rain, the mud, the draughts, the roar of the cannon and the scream of shells. It takes only a minute to light my little oil heater and make some George Washington Coffee . . . Every night I offer up a special petition to the health and well-being of Mr. Washington."
Is my favorite part of the article lol
firefax 4 hours ago [-]
it's never instant because boiling water takes sooooo longgggg. apparently uk teakettles are faster due to voltage differences? i want to look for a usb-c solution sometime
maxbond 4 hours ago [-]
The good news is that boiling water is not functionally necessary since the extraction was done up front. I drink it cold or with warm water. Boiling is hotter than I want to drink anyway.
If there's significant scale at the bottom it's possible it's making your kettle materially less efficient. If you put in like a cup of vinegar and a cup of water (you could probably dilute it more than that), heat it up and swish it around (it doesn't need to be boiling), it should all come off.
kccqzy 2 hours ago [-]
Indeed. I have a Nespresso machine for when I need coffee quickly. As soon as I press the button, hot water flows in a trickle. It’s certainly not boiling but it’s an ideal temperature as a hot drink.
kccqzy 2 hours ago [-]
USB-C PD has far lower wattage than the wall outlet anywhere in the world. Now I want someone to build a kettle that accepts a J1772 connection (for charging electric vehicles). That’s nowadays more common than any 240V NEMA outlets.
jbaber 1 hours ago [-]
technologyconnections has connected several things to his car charger, including kettles
I just made a cup of tea, here in the States[1], using science (which means I wrote it down).
I started with 300ml of water that I measured at 68.5F.
I dumped that into the Sunbeam Hot Shot[2] "hot water dispenser" that lives on my countertop (which is labeled as using 1450 Watts).
I pushed the go button and started a clock. It took 1 minute, 29 seconds to reach what I considered to be a rolling boil.
That's pretty good, I think. I could futz around with keeping a hot electric kettle going during the day and maybe save some time on everything after the first cup, but meh. This seems quick-enough, to me, and also avoids all chances of flash-boiling water in the microwave[3].
---
But that's not the interesting part. The interesting part is the math.
At my elevation, I added about 100kJ of heat to the water over those 89 seconds.
If the input power is 1450W (I didn't measure that; I just read it from the back), then ~23% of it was lost. Wherever it went (heating the appliance itself, evaporative cooling, whatever), that power was not included the final state of the water. That's hugely inefficient as a percentage.
But if electricity costs $0.19 per kWh, then I only spent about 7/10ths of 1 cent to boil this 300ml cup of water. (I could add or subtract 23% and it would still be an irrelevant part of my power bill.)
The cheap store-brand black tea cost me $0.0218 per bag.
So a cup of hot tea was a bit less than 3 cents. Not bad!
---
[1]: The freedom to use cursed units
[2]: The Sunbeam machine is no longer available, which sucks. They're simple electromechanical devices with no smarts at all and only a couple of moving parts, and I recommend one to anyone with 120v outlets who likes hot beverages one-cup-at-a-time.
[3]: I did that once. I reached into the microwave for a cup of hot water and it boiled explosively as soon as I moved it. It was very sudden and surprisingly painful. The first-degree burns healed up over the next couple of days. 0/10; worth taking extra steps to avoid.
mikestew 4 hours ago [-]
U. K. 240v vs. 120v in the U. S., twice the voltage == twice the amperage (EDIT: oops, wattage, for the same amps) == half the time to boiling. I will note that doubling the voltage will still not make it "instant". For that I think you need liquid oxygen[0].
Twice the voltage == half the amperage for the same wattage. Are UK kettles higher wattage?
bombcar 3 hours ago [-]
US circuits are about 15 amps; UK ones similar - but twice the volts.
So a US kettle is about 1500 watts, a UK one 3000.
You can get commercial water boilers in the US if you need.
rootusrootus 1 hours ago [-]
or just use an insta-hot tap which is infinitely faster than an electric kettle. or a plain old kettle on an induction cooktop which will also be faster than a single purpose electric kettle.
mrwh 3 hours ago [-]
Actually yes, around double the wattage. It's one of the things English people notice when they move to the US (true!).
gib444 3 hours ago [-]
3000 glorious watts
throwaway27448 3 hours ago [-]
You can also simply keep water near boiling.
ak217 3 hours ago [-]
All the time? That's very inefficient, especially when running your boiler outside heating season and without a vacuum flask.
The actual solution is to boil small quantities of water. I can boil one cup in 90 seconds or so, even with the 120v handicap.
throwaway27448 2 hours ago [-]
Sure, but efficiency wasn't the goal here. Anyway I use hot water enough (~6-10 times daily) that I don't mind spending extra for it
hysan 4 hours ago [-]
Does it? It only takes like 2 min for my electric kettle to boil. If I was a more avid coffee/tea drinker, I’d get one of the always heated hot water dispensers that are common in Japanese households (def one of the appliances I miss since moving back to the US). Then you never have to wait.
AlBugdy 4 hours ago [-]
In electric kettles or a microwave or even in a moka pot or another small container on a decent induction stove it's just 2-3 minutes. There was a video I can't find where they increased the voltage or something for a kettle and at one point it boiled the water in like 10-15 seconds.
It was another, shorter video, not by TC. Just different voltages (or maybe there were other variables) one after the other until the water boiled really quickly and afterwards the kettle blew a fuse or broke (can't remember).
I guess many people have tried doing something like this. But I'll watch TC's video, too - he hasn't disappointed me so far.
Edit: Watched it. Not the same video, but this one had a lot more info and troubleshooting than what the one I had in mind.
markus_zhang 3 hours ago [-]
I just use the microwave TBH. 60s and done.
kccqzy 2 hours ago [-]
My completely unremarkable microwave is rated at 1800W whereas my unremarkable electric kettle is rated at 1200W.
jemmyw 4 hours ago [-]
For real instant: install a hot water tap. It has a small boiler under the sink that keeps the water at near boiling. I've got one and it's great - instant tea any time.
bigfatkitten 4 hours ago [-]
I considered this when I rebuilt my kitchen last year but the price was obscene - starting at $1600 AUD installed.
I bought one of these for $79 instead and I’ve been perfectly happy with it.
Of all the things I have cooked on my induction cooktops over the years, boiling water fast is what I miss when I travel and have to use electric coils.
TRiG_Ireland 4 hours ago [-]
The UK is not an outlier here. Much of the world has the same voltage.
gib444 2 hours ago [-]
I'm in the UK but I have a kettle that lets you pick the temperature. I usually just use 50C (122F) for instant if I'm having it black, or 70C (158F) for a splash of milk. Boiling water would make an already miserable experience far more miserable.
ghthor 3 hours ago [-]
If you’re brewing from ground you really don’t want boiling 212F water as you’ll burn the grounds. I do my pour over at 185F and get smooth ready to drink hot coffee with no/low acidity.
Error9632 1 hours ago [-]
If you (for some reason) want low-acidity coffee, it’s better to just get a darker roast (if you can stand the taste defects).
Ideal brewing temperature depends on a lot of factors but even ultralight roasts don’t require anything near boiling.
gib444 2 hours ago [-]
> which is why spray drying remains the dominant method
I don't think I've ever seen spray-dried. Even the cheap supermarket instant coffee is mostly freeze-dried in the UK I believe.
You can really see the power of marketing at play in instant coffee.
A lot of 'premium' branded instant coffee is ~£42/kg. That's £3/kg more than my premium, locally-roasted, single-estate Colombian coffee beans.
If you have more money than sense, there's even "Nescafe Gold Blend Cap Colombia" at £62/kg
I do drink instant, but I stick to supermarket own-brand 'gold' that is around £13-18/kg (freeze dried). You just accept it'll be bad, and always drink with sugar and milk.
I find the basic Nescafe has a distinct taste and not in a good way. I think a lot of people buy it for nostalgic reasons and not much else (well, excluding the brain-dead brand addicts)
Jtsummers 2 hours ago [-]
> A lot of 'premium' branded instant coffee is ~£42/kg. That's £3/kg more than my premium, locally-roasted, single-estate Colombian coffee beans.
That weight comparison doesn't make sense. How many cups of coffee do you get from your beans versus the instant? I just checked the jar I have here for my lazy weekends, it's ~2g per cup of coffee (rounding up, it's a bit under 200g and it makes about 100 cups). So a kg of instant would be around 500 cups of coffee. I don't think your 1kg of beans will produce that many cups.
vient 2 hours ago [-]
> A lot of 'premium' branded instant coffee is ~£42/kg. That's £3/kg more than my premium, locally-roasted, single-estate Colombian coffee beans.
You need 7-10 times less instant coffee to make a cup though, so your beans are a lot more expensive in the end. From my experience, cup of coffee is either 2 grams of Nescafe Gold or 16 grams of beans.
Error9632 1 hours ago [-]
The 7-10 times seems quite off. It’s pretty close to 5 times assuming common extraction yields about 20%.
So instead of brewing 16g of coffee you could dissolve 3.2g of instant.
maxbond 10 minutes ago [-]
For what it's worth I just checked my store brand instant, and the serving suggestion is 1.9 grams.
ssl-3 1 hours ago [-]
In terms of the volume of the final beverage, 1kg of instant coffee goes a lot further than 1kg of whole bean coffee does.
I don't measure coffee by weight when making the stuff (I use the eyebolic method with the coffee grinder, and the equally-imprecise heaping spoonful method with instant), but some homework suggests that it takes ~60g of whole bean coffee, or ~9g of instant coffee, to produce 1 liter of beverage.
If a coffee cup holds 300ml (as the normal US-centric one I picked from my cabinet does), then when we use your prices we get:
~£0.702 per cup from premium, locally-roasted, single-estate Columbia coffee beans
~£0.1134 per cup from 'premium' instant coffee.
...which makes instant a whole heckuva lot less expensive to drink. :)
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I would much prefer a cup of instant coffee to most coffee that is served at diners, brunch/lunch restaurants, etc. in the US. I prefer espresso still, but there's a lot of burnt tasting coffee in America.
I started using instant coffee in hot chocolate as a quick DIY mocha, mainly because the cost-caffeine ratio was sooooo much better than beans (ground or whole) and the mix of ingredients that doesn't trigger any reflux (unlike the 400 mg / serving powdered energy drink I had been guzzling).
Which is to say - this is a fun and interesting article about something I had just been taking for granted. It's really neat to learn about the trials and tribulations that folks went through to figure it out.
Thanks for posting it! :)
Ah reflux! I drink way too much coffee since forever and recently asked my doc about it: he told me that if I had no reflux, then I simply shouldn't worry about it. Some people have reflux with coffee, others don't. I drink more coffee than 99% of the population and I get zero reflux. Since decades.
It's a cool article but in a way many coffee became instant coffee: as my coffee machine is often already warm (wife btw she's also a heavy coffee drinker), it's actually more instant to have my full auto coffee machine ground the beans and make a coffee than it'd take to boil water for an instant coffee. Same for the people doing the (very costly compared to beans) capsule coffee thing: it's ultra quick (and one of the reason capsule coffee like Nespresso conquered so many).
P.S: I'll try your mocha trick!
How much is that?
Is my favorite part of the article lol
If there's significant scale at the bottom it's possible it's making your kettle materially less efficient. If you put in like a cup of vinegar and a cup of water (you could probably dilute it more than that), heat it up and swish it around (it doesn't need to be boiling), it should all come off.
I started with 300ml of water that I measured at 68.5F.
I dumped that into the Sunbeam Hot Shot[2] "hot water dispenser" that lives on my countertop (which is labeled as using 1450 Watts).
I pushed the go button and started a clock. It took 1 minute, 29 seconds to reach what I considered to be a rolling boil.
That's pretty good, I think. I could futz around with keeping a hot electric kettle going during the day and maybe save some time on everything after the first cup, but meh. This seems quick-enough, to me, and also avoids all chances of flash-boiling water in the microwave[3].
---
But that's not the interesting part. The interesting part is the math.
At my elevation, I added about 100kJ of heat to the water over those 89 seconds.
If the input power is 1450W (I didn't measure that; I just read it from the back), then ~23% of it was lost. Wherever it went (heating the appliance itself, evaporative cooling, whatever), that power was not included the final state of the water. That's hugely inefficient as a percentage.
But if electricity costs $0.19 per kWh, then I only spent about 7/10ths of 1 cent to boil this 300ml cup of water. (I could add or subtract 23% and it would still be an irrelevant part of my power bill.)
The cheap store-brand black tea cost me $0.0218 per bag.
So a cup of hot tea was a bit less than 3 cents. Not bad!
---
[1]: The freedom to use cursed units
[2]: The Sunbeam machine is no longer available, which sucks. They're simple electromechanical devices with no smarts at all and only a couple of moving parts, and I recommend one to anyone with 120v outlets who likes hot beverages one-cup-at-a-time.
[3]: I did that once. I reached into the microwave for a cup of hot water and it boiled explosively as soon as I moved it. It was very sudden and surprisingly painful. The first-degree burns healed up over the next couple of days. 0/10; worth taking extra steps to avoid.
[0] https://improbable.com/2018/10/26/a-look-back-at-george-gobl...
So a US kettle is about 1500 watts, a UK one 3000.
You can get commercial water boilers in the US if you need.
The actual solution is to boil small quantities of water. I can boil one cup in 90 seconds or so, even with the 120v handicap.
https://youtu.be/INZybkX8tLI
I guess many people have tried doing something like this. But I'll watch TC's video, too - he hasn't disappointed me so far.
Edit: Watched it. Not the same video, but this one had a lot more info and troubleshooting than what the one I had in mind.
I bought one of these for $79 instead and I’ve been perfectly happy with it.
https://www.kmart.com.au/product/digital-hot-water-dispenser...
Ideal brewing temperature depends on a lot of factors but even ultralight roasts don’t require anything near boiling.
I don't think I've ever seen spray-dried. Even the cheap supermarket instant coffee is mostly freeze-dried in the UK I believe.
You can really see the power of marketing at play in instant coffee.
A lot of 'premium' branded instant coffee is ~£42/kg. That's £3/kg more than my premium, locally-roasted, single-estate Colombian coffee beans.
If you have more money than sense, there's even "Nescafe Gold Blend Cap Colombia" at £62/kg
I do drink instant, but I stick to supermarket own-brand 'gold' that is around £13-18/kg (freeze dried). You just accept it'll be bad, and always drink with sugar and milk.
I find the basic Nescafe has a distinct taste and not in a good way. I think a lot of people buy it for nostalgic reasons and not much else (well, excluding the brain-dead brand addicts)
That weight comparison doesn't make sense. How many cups of coffee do you get from your beans versus the instant? I just checked the jar I have here for my lazy weekends, it's ~2g per cup of coffee (rounding up, it's a bit under 200g and it makes about 100 cups). So a kg of instant would be around 500 cups of coffee. I don't think your 1kg of beans will produce that many cups.
You need 7-10 times less instant coffee to make a cup though, so your beans are a lot more expensive in the end. From my experience, cup of coffee is either 2 grams of Nescafe Gold or 16 grams of beans.
I don't measure coffee by weight when making the stuff (I use the eyebolic method with the coffee grinder, and the equally-imprecise heaping spoonful method with instant), but some homework suggests that it takes ~60g of whole bean coffee, or ~9g of instant coffee, to produce 1 liter of beverage.
If a coffee cup holds 300ml (as the normal US-centric one I picked from my cabinet does), then when we use your prices we get:
~£0.702 per cup from premium, locally-roasted, single-estate Columbia coffee beans
~£0.1134 per cup from 'premium' instant coffee.
...which makes instant a whole heckuva lot less expensive to drink. :)