The slogan "Age Verification Solution for all Europeans" is a lie.
The honest slogan is "Age Verification Solution for Europeans Who Use Mobile Devices that are Controlled by US Corporations and by Extension US Government Which Can Revoke Your Use of the Solution with No Recourse".
nilslindemann 6 hours ago [-]
What about users with no smart phone?
Someone 42 minutes ago [-]
From skimming the texts, I don’t see a 100% hard requirement of using a smart phone.
“To enable online age verification, the User is required to install an AV app on their mobile device”
but section 3 Architecture says
“The solution relies on a device-based proof of age model, leveraging widely available mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets to store age attestations. This approach supports the goal of rapid deployment and broad accessibility. Alternative mechanisms for storing and presenting proof of age may be considered for future versions of the solution.”
and
“It is also recognised that devices may be shared among multiple users, for example, when a child has access to a parent’s mobile phone”
That indicates the child may not need to have a smartphone.
I think the vast majority of cases where this will be used it with users wanting to run smartphone or tablet apps, though. For those cases, requiring the user to own a smartphone isn’t problematic.
jampekka 32 minutes ago [-]
The app is available only on Android (and maybe iOS) and requires Google/Apple attestation.
There's been extensive discussion about this, but the developers refuse to even fully acknowledge the problem.
pjmlp 4 hours ago [-]
No smartphnone and dependent on two US companies, is there an official complaint form?
In The Netherlands I wouldn't be able to login to any government or adjecent websites (e.g. portal of my local health center/GP, health insurance, retirement/pension insurance) without a smart phone running DigiD app for 2FA.
The non-EU Serbia has the equivalent app, but also you might be able to get individual/personal e-certificate (for logging into e-government or signing e-documents) added into smart card chip of your ID. But in practice it seems thats only used for business purposes, like CEO/Accountants/etc to sign/submit business records/taxes.
tmtvl 2 hours ago [-]
In Belgium the eID software runs on GNU/Linux, so I can log in to government websites using my ID card and a card reader. In my experience it even works better on GNU/Linux than on MS Windows.
It's one of the only things that Belgium does right.
closuregarden 1 hours ago [-]
The DigiD app isn't required. You can log-in with DigiD using SMS 2FA. This is what I currently do, because I don't want to install closed-source software on my device.
mcv 53 minutes ago [-]
DigiD used to work fine without an app. I think it still does, because I have to explicitly select using the app to log in.
The honest slogan is "Age Verification Solution for Europeans Who Use Mobile Devices that are Controlled by US Corporations and by Extension US Government Which Can Revoke Your Use of the Solution with No Recourse".
Yes, in https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/d..., section 2.3 User Journey says
“To enable online age verification, the User is required to install an AV app on their mobile device”
but section 3 Architecture says
“The solution relies on a device-based proof of age model, leveraging widely available mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets to store age attestations. This approach supports the goal of rapid deployment and broad accessibility. Alternative mechanisms for storing and presenting proof of age may be considered for future versions of the solution.”
and
“It is also recognised that devices may be shared among multiple users, for example, when a child has access to a parent’s mobile phone”
That indicates the child may not need to have a smartphone.
I think the vast majority of cases where this will be used it with users wanting to run smartphone or tablet apps, though. For those cases, requiring the user to own a smartphone isn’t problematic.
There's been extensive discussion about this, but the developers refuse to even fully acknowledge the problem.
EDIT: A possible way, https://european-union.europa.eu/contact-eu/write-us_en
The non-EU Serbia has the equivalent app, but also you might be able to get individual/personal e-certificate (for logging into e-government or signing e-documents) added into smart card chip of your ID. But in practice it seems thats only used for business purposes, like CEO/Accountants/etc to sign/submit business records/taxes.
It's one of the only things that Belgium does right.