> Every finite set of points in the Euclidean plane that is not collinear has a line that passes through exactly two of the points.
I can't make out the point here (no pun). Of course a line can pass through any two points. It could pass through three if those points were collinear but the statement says they're not. So what is the new fact?
Sniffnoy 26 minutes ago [-]
I think what's going on here is that you've misunderstood the theorem's hypothesis. The hypothesis isn't that no three of the points are collinear; rather, it's the weaker statement that there isn't any one single line that all the points lie on. It's true that with your version of the hypothesis the theorem would be trivial; but with the actual hypothesis it is is nontrivial.
stackghost 3 minutes ago [-]
>rather, it's the weaker statement that there isn't any one single line that all the points lie on
... of course there's no single line that all the points lie on. They've been defined to be non-collinear.
glimshe 1 hours ago [-]
Try to come up with a set non-colinear points where NO line passes through two and ONLY TWO points and you'll see the value of the statement.
You may think "I'm sure I can arrange these points in a way where EVERY line will cross three or more points" but you will fail if you try unless ALL points are colinear.
scythe 45 minutes ago [-]
This is true for finite sets. For infinite sets, the Sierpinski triangle is a counterexample.
chenb4425 1 hours ago [-]
It’s that the line passes through exactly two points, which if you think about it is not exactly obvious.
math_loser 1 hours ago [-]
> So what is the new fact?
For all arbitrarily sized (but finite) sets of not collinear points, there's always a line that passes through exactly two points in the set.
tzs 1 hours ago [-]
It can help to think about theorems like this by restating them as a puzzle asking for a counterexample.
Given N points, N > 2, can you arrange them in a Euclidean plane so that (1) they are not all on the same line, and (2) every line that goes through two of the points must also go through at least one more of the points?
The theorem says that you cannot do this.
stackghost 5 minutes ago [-]
>Every finite set of points in the Euclidean plane that is not collinear has a line that passes through exactly two of the points.
Isn't this a tautology?
The problem definition states that the set of points is in Euclidean space, which from Euclid's Axioms means we can draw a line between any two points. The set of points is defined to be not collinear, thus we cannot draw a line passing through more than two of them. This is just simple logic.
agnishom 1 minutes ago [-]
That is not what was meant. Here is a better rephrasing:
Let X be a set of points not all of which are collinear. Then, there are two points a, b in X such that the line l passing through X only passes through a and b.
Nail2680 50 minutes ago [-]
I might be too stupid to understand why this is interesting and useful. If it helps I am a working physicist, and a lot of pure math is lost on me. I think I followed this, but I don't know why one would care or this would be interesting.
emil-lp 2 hours ago [-]
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I can't make out the point here (no pun). Of course a line can pass through any two points. It could pass through three if those points were collinear but the statement says they're not. So what is the new fact?
... of course there's no single line that all the points lie on. They've been defined to be non-collinear.
You may think "I'm sure I can arrange these points in a way where EVERY line will cross three or more points" but you will fail if you try unless ALL points are colinear.
For all arbitrarily sized (but finite) sets of not collinear points, there's always a line that passes through exactly two points in the set.
Given N points, N > 2, can you arrange them in a Euclidean plane so that (1) they are not all on the same line, and (2) every line that goes through two of the points must also go through at least one more of the points?
The theorem says that you cannot do this.
Isn't this a tautology?
The problem definition states that the set of points is in Euclidean space, which from Euclid's Axioms means we can draw a line between any two points. The set of points is defined to be not collinear, thus we cannot draw a line passing through more than two of them. This is just simple logic.
Let X be a set of points not all of which are collinear. Then, there are two points a, b in X such that the line l passing through X only passes through a and b.