Malls and stores have done this for a decade and then some, from devices on you.
2 hours ago [-]
iberator 4 hours ago [-]
wow. is it legal to capture and process such data?
mikestew 4 hours ago [-]
So the question is, is it legal for me to receive radio emissions that your device freely emits?
tavavex 4 hours ago [-]
The question is, is it legal for you to collect everyone's emissions automatically, process them, derive conclusions from them and sell them to third parties?
The assumption that "if doing 1x of something is okay, then surely so is doing 10000x of it fully automatically" has gone unchallenged for too long. We can see the societal implications this has had so far, and it's fully logically consistent to be able to say no to that. Just because I can see you out on the street, broadcasting your visual appearance for the whole world, doesn't mean I should be allowed to record you, analyze your appearance, retain recordings of you forever, automatically track you across the places that many cameras spotted you at and then resell that data to advertising and tech corporations.
Small-scale individual recording is okay. Automated mass recording and processing without an extremely convincing reason and thorough limitations and checks should not be.
15155 39 minutes ago [-]
As an exercise, write the statute that you think would prevent this behavior. Then, let's poke holes in it.
crmd 28 minutes ago [-]
In my opinion it should be unlawful for anyone to receive, store, or process a user’s “emissions” for any purpose that a reasonable user would not anticipate and consent to.
For example, misusing bluetooth or wifi pairing broadcasts from a client to track the client or build any type of advertising profile.
N_Lens 2 hours ago [-]
Torment Nexus looms ever closer.
4d4m 6 hours ago [-]
Friendly reminder many manufactured goods also have RFID stickers within, used to track/trace parts during factory assembly. These are active and readable at all times by systems like this - irrespective of if the devices are powered.
Are passive RFID tags actually trackable for these purposes? That's horrifying. But I thought they would only be readable from at most a meter, maybe several with sensitive equipment - far too short of a range, no?
kotaKat 2 hours ago [-]
Ironically just picked up a Zebra EM45 RFID recently.
I turned on the RFID scanner and did a leisurely stroll through a local Walmart Supercenter.
I read nearly 6200 unique tags over 39,000 times in the span of a ~20 minute walk in the store. Every single tag has a unique serial number and a unique serialized EPC GTIN.
RFID/EPC enabled merchandise is going to be a huge trackpoint for passive RFID scanning moving forward. Walmart attempted this back in the early 2010s (and failed because it cost so much) and now that tags are pennies a tag, they can finally force suppliers to roll it out (starting with apparel, then hardlines over time).
ha my shoes have RFid tags for stock tracking, I wonder how far away that can be read
even most watches people have now broadcast bluetooth MAC (and maybe ANT+ id)
and that data is never ever going away, there's no warrant and no law to regulate it
they still have tracking data for everyone who visited Epstein Island decades ago (which is even more crazy that no-one was prosecuted out of hundreds)
foxyv 6 hours ago [-]
You can read a passive RFID from about 30 meters with the right equipment.
we have reached the point where now at any point in the future they can trace anyone backwards for months without a warrant (and without probable cause)
they can pick a person and then just look for a crime to prosecute since most people break laws daily without realizing it
cucumber3732842 6 hours ago [-]
Nah, they won't prosecute for a crime. People accused of crimes have these pesky things called rights.
They'll find some civil infraction to threaten you with. You'll be cast into a kangaroo system where the deck is stacked against you, you have no presumption of innocence, no right to not self incriminate, you have nearly no right to see let alone question the evidince against you. And of course the civil infraction will have some absurd dollar figure attached thanks to all the useful idiots who think that the fine "needs to be a deterrent".
N_Lens 2 hours ago [-]
(In)justice system
jambalaya8 2 hours ago [-]
they said can. and some do.
Rendered at 23:05:42 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) with Vercel.
The assumption that "if doing 1x of something is okay, then surely so is doing 10000x of it fully automatically" has gone unchallenged for too long. We can see the societal implications this has had so far, and it's fully logically consistent to be able to say no to that. Just because I can see you out on the street, broadcasting your visual appearance for the whole world, doesn't mean I should be allowed to record you, analyze your appearance, retain recordings of you forever, automatically track you across the places that many cameras spotted you at and then resell that data to advertising and tech corporations.
Small-scale individual recording is okay. Automated mass recording and processing without an extremely convincing reason and thorough limitations and checks should not be.
For example, misusing bluetooth or wifi pairing broadcasts from a client to track the client or build any type of advertising profile.
https://www.zebra.com/us/en/products/mobile-computers/handhe...
I turned on the RFID scanner and did a leisurely stroll through a local Walmart Supercenter.
I read nearly 6200 unique tags over 39,000 times in the span of a ~20 minute walk in the store. Every single tag has a unique serial number and a unique serialized EPC GTIN.
https://i.ibb.co/994NJfgJ/photo-2026-08-16-13-14-52.jpg
RFID/EPC enabled merchandise is going to be a huge trackpoint for passive RFID scanning moving forward. Walmart attempted this back in the early 2010s (and failed because it cost so much) and now that tags are pennies a tag, they can finally force suppliers to roll it out (starting with apparel, then hardlines over time).
https://rfidtag.com/how-to-program-rfid-tags/
even most watches people have now broadcast bluetooth MAC (and maybe ANT+ id)
and that data is never ever going away, there's no warrant and no law to regulate it
they still have tracking data for everyone who visited Epstein Island decades ago (which is even more crazy that no-one was prosecuted out of hundreds)
we have reached the point where now at any point in the future they can trace anyone backwards for months without a warrant (and without probable cause)
they can pick a person and then just look for a crime to prosecute since most people break laws daily without realizing it
They'll find some civil infraction to threaten you with. You'll be cast into a kangaroo system where the deck is stacked against you, you have no presumption of innocence, no right to not self incriminate, you have nearly no right to see let alone question the evidince against you. And of course the civil infraction will have some absurd dollar figure attached thanks to all the useful idiots who think that the fine "needs to be a deterrent".