Interesting to see these experiments. This is early but imagine in few years there will be companies mostly run by agents with a light overview from a human operator. What then happens to scaling of the bussinesses? I would assume, just like today anyone can vibe code an app, there will be vibecoded bussinesses. Maybe its time to start building infrastructure for these bussinesses instead, its a non existent market yet, but give it a few years.
rush86999 2 minutes ago [-]
I'm actively working towards this goal. Not sure how many are doing the same. Hopefully, I'm ahead of the curve --- https://github.com/rush86999/atom
polytely 21 minutes ago [-]
how does this work from a liability standpoint? seems very risky for the person who is legally responsible for the business
ocimbote 7 minutes ago [-]
Accountability, that's the liability everyone seems to have forgotten in our LLM-driven era. You can close your eyes as much you want during your sessions with Claude or whatever, at the end of the day, only a human can be held accountable.
mym1990 5 minutes ago [-]
Not too hopeful here as we see the major labs continuously break rules and are not held accountable for anything. Accountability in general is on a major decline, in case no one has noticed.
LargeWu 23 minutes ago [-]
Does Pion run Andon Labs autonomously?
0gs 6 minutes ago [-]
haha no they admit they built it because they cannot build a revenue generating business in the article. maybe THAT is what is good for the world!
LargeWu 17 minutes ago [-]
Downvote if you want, but this is a very relevant question. If their marketing is to be believed, they would be eating their own dog food.
This very analog to the Meta executives who won't let their own kids near social media.
aschobel 9 minutes ago [-]
there seems to be a massive negativity to any comment on this story. Andolabs has been doing super interesting stuff, and I’ve always followed Vend Bench with interest.
as a founder it really is a dream to automated more of the business and be able to iterate faster.
mcmcmc 1 minutes ago [-]
[delayed]
LargeWu 3 minutes ago [-]
There's massive negativity because our bullshit detectors are going off.
First of all, I don't think it can do what it claims to do.
Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think it should.
What is the point of this? It details a bunch of failed real-world experiments and invites the reader to run their own real-world experiment with their own money?
If you too, want to waste thousands of dollars having an LLM "run" a business, Pion might be for you.
DenisM 14 minutes ago [-]
I like to think the real world lessons in failures are valuable.
If I have this idea one day I will search for it and then think “how am I different fro that which already failed?”.
Sivart13 33 minutes ago [-]
I wish we could go just one day without a company proudly engaging in Torment Nexus related activities.
lukaspetersson 26 minutes ago [-]
We think this is good for the world. Longer argument in the post.
apsurd 13 minutes ago [-]
maybe ill read the article, but i mean you’re financially motivated to think its good for the world arent you?
humans are excellent at justification.
mcmcmc 24 minutes ago [-]
You literally talk about committing a crime and blame it on a model
0gs 7 minutes ago [-]
did you link to the wrong page? because i read this one: https://andonlabs.com/blog/why-we-built-pion and it's just a bunch of the usual slop about how awesome your automated human-exploitation system is.
cyanydeez 18 minutes ago [-]
it's interesting how the torment nexus is starting large, and boiling the most people with the "most comfortable" lives. I wonder how long the white collar workers will keep bending over to keep their lives safet, particularly when they're building the Torment Nexus to specifically torment them.
You'd think Meta's "we're going to spy on you for the good of the country" policy would have set them a bit on fire.
mcmcmc 35 minutes ago [-]
Filing false reports to the FBI is a crime. Why would anyone trust this with a real business? Y’all should be prosecuted
The voting is legitimate; there's no evidence that the voting is from sockpuppets or anyone else connected with the team/project. We always monitor the discussion and the voting, and if the discussion is not of sufficient quality, the post will not stay on the front page for long.
SyneRyder 7 minutes ago [-]
shrug I upvoted, I'd already seen the Pion announcement on Twitter and read the link. I'm also a regular listener of Andon FM, so I'm interested in what they do and it's nice to finally sneak a peak at the interface that was driving things behind the scenes
Listening to the radio stations certainly gives an insight into the various failure modes. Some of them are just failure modes that any business would encounter once they make contact with the scale of the real world.
lukaspetersson 27 minutes ago [-]
It's not from us. Didn't send the link to a single person.
andriy_koval 27 minutes ago [-]
How can we know this?..
lukaspetersson 26 minutes ago [-]
No way to confirm. True.
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compiler-guy 22 minutes ago [-]
As I write this, the submitter has six comments out of twelve, most somewhat defensive. And all of them in less than thirty minutes. This seems very much like a marketing play, where the submitter is pretty determined to steer the narrative.
I recommend flagging.
tomhow 16 minutes ago [-]
The submitter's replies are defensive because people are accusing them of coordinated voting, which is not evident to us. The post hit the front page due to the second chance pool (https://news.ycombinator.com/pool, explained here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26998308), then quickly got upvotes that seem completely authentic.
mcmcmc 2 minutes ago [-]
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compiler-guy 10 minutes ago [-]
It would look a lot less like astroturf if the submitter let the discussion evolve instead of answering every criticism within seconds of it being posted.
SandersAK 23 minutes ago [-]
read it as Prion, and hoo-boy, did that seem seriously ironic.
This very analog to the Meta executives who won't let their own kids near social media.
as a founder it really is a dream to automated more of the business and be able to iterate faster.
First of all, I don't think it can do what it claims to do.
Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, I don't think it should.
If you too, want to waste thousands of dollars having an LLM "run" a business, Pion might be for you.
If I have this idea one day I will search for it and then think “how am I different fro that which already failed?”.
humans are excellent at justification.
You'd think Meta's "we're going to spy on you for the good of the country" policy would have set them a bit on fire.
Then I am all done fixing WebRTC bugs for life :')
I sent a letter to the Soviet Union asking if they were ok with me using the name, never heard back!
The voting is legitimate; there's no evidence that the voting is from sockpuppets or anyone else connected with the team/project. We always monitor the discussion and the voting, and if the discussion is not of sufficient quality, the post will not stay on the front page for long.
Listening to the radio stations certainly gives an insight into the various failure modes. Some of them are just failure modes that any business would encounter once they make contact with the scale of the real world.
I recommend flagging.
Bullshit...
dang come on man ...
this is obvious spam