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Fable 5 – Median thinking declined in August (twitter.com)
Waterluvian 17 minutes ago [-]
I have no hard data but I have a strong feeling this morning that something's wrong with Fable 5 compared to Friday evening.

Just an hour ago I had Fable correctly identify an unused method that could be deleted. I then immediately get a diff for an exact duplicate method, and then Fable outputting, "I accidentally duplicated <method> instead of deleting it. Removing both copies now."

The remaining morning complaints that makes it feel like something's off is that it will do a lot of "thinking" for simple things that previously took very little time. And it got very lost and completely mixed up DE-91M predicate names and implementations. Just absolute disaster code that I had over the past months come to generally expect it to do without issue.

Glad I carefully review everything. I think what I need is reliability and consistency. But it feels like picking a model from the list doesn't guarantee that: that the models' "brain" is open on the table and they're screwing with it.

prodigycorp 14 minutes ago [-]
New release of fable and opus 5.5 is pending and Anthropic is reallocating resources. Degradation always happens in transition, it sucks.

Opus 5.5 is being served under opus 5 right now.

w1296 2 minutes ago [-]
Especially with the frequent releases aka version bumps.
w1296 3 minutes ago [-]
Maybe they are jealous of Navier Stokes and try the Hodge conjecture with 80% of total compute at the expense of their customers.
alexjplant 45 minutes ago [-]
I seem to recall Anthropic going on record saying that they don't do anything to model performance to stretch their compute capacity. I've anecdotally noticed massive peaks and troughs in performance week to week (albeit with Opus, not Fable).

I wonder what their official explanation for this behavior is.

Wowfunhappy 26 minutes ago [-]
When something is new, its capabilities feel incredible. Over time, those same capabilities become mundane, and you start to notice the flaws.

(Now, if TFA is actually measuring reasoning tokens, that's quite different! It's not entirely obvious to me how he is measuring.)

chrsw 10 minutes ago [-]
I don’t think that’s what’s going on. I notice flaws on day one of model releases. But I also notice improvements if the model is truly more advanced than what I’m used to. Then over time the same questions or tasks return worse results.

What is actually stopping these model companies from running a model at full capacity on release then once its name rings out, start serving users quantized garbage?

QwenGlazer9000 34 minutes ago [-]
Last time they were called out, it was a regression in Claude code itself.

At least that's their explanation. Either way, it wasn't a good look for "vibecoding" but it got brushed over.

himata4113 12 minutes ago [-]
They are deploying optimizations weekly (if not daily) with various AB tests. They don't manipulate model performance, but they do actively perform tests.
mlmonkey 32 minutes ago [-]
Anecdotally, I have found the same. I spend a lot of time with these frontier models, brainstorming, etc. and the drop in performance from, say, week 1 to week 8 is often massive. Whereas in the beginning, it seemed like a capable research assistant, by the end of week 8 or so it starts acting like a puppy dog eager to make its 'master' happy for a few treats.
28 minutes ago [-]
theplumber 24 minutes ago [-]
It is clear by now to me that Anthropic is constantly trying to find a kind of “auto” degradation perhaps to save money on work it thinks does not require high reasoning. I always use max reasoning and I can clearly see differences between the models when they release and after 3-4 weeks. I think they give a kind of intelligence boost also for new accounts.
jotato 24 minutes ago [-]
Just yesterday I was thinking about gpt-5.6-luna. I made it my default model in Hermes during its fist week of launch. It was just as good as 5.5 which was my previous default. But over the last 2 or 3 weeks I've seen how dumb it is now. I have to be very explicit with it.

For example, I used to be able to prompt "Check the system logs on <server> for...." and it would just figure it out. Yesterday I asked "Did <service> on <server> complete the overnight job" and all it said was "that service is not installed on my host"

I had to tell it to ssh into the server and run journlctl to check it

Anecdotal, I know, but they all seem to be less capable with time.

_edit_ I use the same reasoning level of `medium`

16 minutes ago [-]
r2-129 37 minutes ago [-]
Obviously. The standard pattern is that model X is basically AGI and wins all benchmarks, followed the next day by Y and Z, which both win all benchmarks, too.

Then weeks later people find out that they have been duped and complain that the models have been quantized or employ worse inference.

Buy decent coffee instead of your $200 subscription and sidestep all the scams.

ltbarcly3 29 minutes ago [-]
Well I happen to enjoy coffee and $200 AI plans. What if Blue Bottle started watering down it's coffee? Is your answer to stop drinking coffee and make myself tea instead?

Evidence that vendors are being misleading in what they are delivering is important to share, whether or not you personally approve of that product.

CamperBob2 29 minutes ago [-]
You forgot a stage or two:

1: "Our model will bring about the end of all things. Flee, flee for your lives"

2: "Our model is basically AGI"

3: "Our model will be available in limited release next week"

4: "Everybody who subscribes at the $200 level gets access now"

5: "Everybody who subscribes at the $20 level gets access now"

6, at least at Google: "Our model will be shoved down your throat every time you do a search, whether you want it or not"

artemonster 24 minutes ago [-]
0. "our model is too dangerous to release to pubic"
dwaite 16 minutes ago [-]
Google's search AI actually its too dangerous to release to the public. I have relatives routinely citing it as their source for medical advice.

I have quite strongly told them, in no uncertain terms, that they are going to kill themselves doing that.

atemerev 18 minutes ago [-]
Well sorry, still have to get decent AI somewhere. Productivity without AI is about 5x less. I am not comfortable with paying Chinese companies, and no Western companies provide subscription-based pricing for open models.
nozzlegear 2 minutes ago [-]
[delayed]
espeed 19 minutes ago [-]
The question I have is this only happening for a subset of users working in specific areas, such as AI or distributed systems (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48742153), or is this across the board? I am working on distributed systems. Today Fable is mostly unusable. It resembles Opus, so I went looking to see if anyone else is having issues. Sure enough.
Espressosaurus 15 minutes ago [-]
I work in embedded systems. I have seen the same thing happening day by day from Opus. Some days it’s okay to use and performs well. Other days I have to correct it repeatedly and remind it of information already in the prompt earlier (before compaction!) and still other times it’s infuriatingly stupid.

It’s a slot machine for what they’re actually giving us behind the opaque paywalls.

Yes, I’m on a business subscription plan.

vb-8448 12 minutes ago [-]
They want transparency from everyone else but not for them ... you don't say.
cloudking 30 minutes ago [-]
How do you create repeatable tests in a non-deterministic system? Every time you send the same prompt you get a different answer.
CharlesW 26 minutes ago [-]
This is a good overview of how this is done: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/demystifying-evals-for...
ssivark 28 minutes ago [-]
The actual tokens might be non-deterministic, but you could look for proxy measures that are supposed to be invariant. Eg. correctness/performance on benchmarks, "thinking level" on complex problems, etc
matheusmoreira 19 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic is straight up scamming its users at this point.
tamimio 5 minutes ago [-]
This is like shared clouds back in the day where if someone is using the CPU more it impacts you, just pool every one to the same service. There should be an SLA but for the intelligence of these models, otherwise, you are sold fable but with the intelligence of a table.
llmslave 25 minutes ago [-]
I strongly believe that the real Fable is the one we had for a few days in June. Then they nerfed the model a bit after the government pulled it off the market. What we have now is something less, but still good
underlipton 13 minutes ago [-]
Gemini Chat is constantly throwing, "Pro is in high demand right now, a different model was used for this generation," too.

I'm thinking they're all running out of physical resources. It's the DotCom bubble all over again; rollout of the physical infrastructure that's necessary to keep all of the pie-in-the-sky promises will not happen on the timescales that investors can work with, and they will panic when they realize this.

bpodgursky 20 minutes ago [-]
The smart takeaway is not skepticism or snark, but understanding that once the new datacenter buildout starts coming online, cheap and widespread access to even the current frontier models (without strict thinking limits) will blow the economy wide open.

(ie, even a pause in AI training isn't going to stop the train where AI flips the economy upside down, we've barely even seen the impact of the current frontier)

CamperBob2 42 minutes ago [-]
How do you measure thinking tokens? They don't send those back to the client.
ivanbakel 36 minutes ago [-]
They tell you how many tokens are used, however, right? Otherwise you couldn't see your own token consumption.
CamperBob2 34 minutes ago [-]
Good point. I suppose watching the number go up is useful information in itself.

I have been using CC with DeepSeek 4.1 Flash lately, and it's nice to see how the sausage is being made (even if it's partly illusory, as CoT always is.)

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