I know the steel made before this particular year is look after because was not affected or build during periods of radiation, and that gives it qualities sought after.
When AI started I got a copy of 6 months before of wikipedia and open street map.
At some point you cannot trust anything because everything has been touched by everything as a regurgitation of everything.
Svip 15 minutes ago [-]
I believe someone created a website specifically for that purpose with regards to LLMs: https://lowbackgroundsteel.ai/ (not mine, nor can I remember who shared it on HN)
vconnor 3 minutes ago [-]
And of course they had to use high-background steel to build this site.
You know it’s not gonna be updated, because it was created on a whim and the author has already moved onto 79 other projects since.
Similarly, radioactive signatures are used to identify modern forgeries of classic oil paintings!
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cwnyth 24 minutes ago [-]
Are you willing to share that? I didn't have the space at the time to download the entirety of Wikipedia (though I think I have an old copy of Wikipedia sans images floating around somewhere).
theo939eirn 3 minutes ago [-]
There is something similar with pre 2012 content, before corporations sponsored wokeness and griavances.
aaron695 32 minutes ago [-]
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jonathanberger 3 hours ago [-]
So what's the solution? I imagine the right one isn't specific to fan wikis. We're going to need sites where 100% of contributed content is human-written. Who is building this? How will it work?
If the solution merely makes it high friction to post AI content that is probably good enough. In other words if someone has to copy/paste the output of an LLM into a text field and even then the tech detects that and throws an error that would be a big step in the right direction.
Reddit, Wikipedia, fan wikis, reviews, Hacker News comments - I'm sure there are a dozen more categories I'm missing.
OgsyedIE 2 hours ago [-]
Every high friction system that doesn't involve manual approval line-by-line is vulnerable to LLM circumvention and most of the ones that do are still also vulnerable to it, as long as the users of the end product are financially viable to prey upon. Also, if a game feels like work, most players will go find a different game, leaving only a narrow playerbase possessing certain personality traits. That kind of narrow playerbase has no reason to ever worry about a shortage of human wiki curation.
We can put these together to conclude that every game and community that lacks that kind of dedication will die out and be replaced by psychologically personalized short-form dopamine-agonist videos, as exemplified in an infamous comic:
FYI, that tweet is not visible without an X account. You may want to consider an alternative link or at least a description of what's about.
ubuntu04 59 minutes ago [-]
replace x. with tw1tter.
lelanthran 32 minutes ago [-]
That link prompts for a signup.
tehjoker 1 hours ago [-]
god that comic hits so hard. what a horrible world we are building.
defrost 51 minutes ago [-]
You can still hitch a ride on a pearling lugger to the horizontal falls and shoot them with a homemade sea kayak in real life .. and as yet there's no VR / AR plugin for that in the digital world - at least not one with real whirlpool stoppers, salt water crocodiles, and warm equatorial water sharks.
bakugo 14 minutes ago [-]
I don't think there is a solution. The internet as we knew it is over, I give it 5 more years before it becomes borderline impossible to find new human-created content on it.
intended 1 hours ago [-]
None? This is a fundamental change in the ecology, with the introduction of a new invasive species. Like with code, there is no going back, and no way to review everything that is written.
The unspoken assumptions that underpinned the web included the idea that it was made by humans and that content generation couldn’t be mechanized.
There are already YouTube ads for services that Humanize AI output.
The best analogy is that we are at the start of the Dark Forest era of the net.
I assume people will adapt, based on the things that don’t change. If you cannot make out authenticity of participants, then you index on correctness of argument. If the output is useful to you, then you got what you needed and can move on. A more transactional and less community oriented web.
There is no solution (though there will be plenty of grifters trying to sell one).
The open internet we currently know will be lost to mountains of slop just like usenet and email were even prior to the AI era.
Springtime 2 hours ago [-]
I've seen a couple of these in search results while looking for info about more niche games and at first I thought they were fan made but like the article mentions they're not actually wikis, nor do they contain accurate information.
The ones I came across just contained nebulous prose with variously incorrect info about the game on a few barebones pages, with a custom domain name. They weren't using any wiki software.
I have uBlock Origin installed so not sure if the purpose was ads but I was baffled as to what the goal would be otherwise since they're useless for proper information, let alone a wiki.
vintermann 5 minutes ago [-]
I think there are people who just assume there's money to be made if you're pushing the sloppified tomorrow hard, and no time to stop and think about why.
Maybe there are other people selling the tools, who try to convince the former people that what they're doing is smart and profit will roll in any day now.
Anyway it would be a mistake to think something is profitable just because someone bets on it.
jrmg 46 minutes ago [-]
I’m building a shed at the moment, and it’s become basically impossible to find reliable advice on tools or techniques by searching the web. It’s all just slop feeding back on itself now, unless you are lucky enough to find a forum post from before, say, 2023.
For example, try searching about what sort of nails you should be using to attach cedar lap siding.
On Google, you might find a few good results, but you’ll really need to scrutinize them to make sure they’re reliable. Most are slop on the ‘blogs’ of siding and roofing contractors.
On DDG, it’s even worse. Usually nailerguy.com ranks highly - it seems to be completely AI generated, complete with contradictions and impossible pictures. And, often, nailicy.com, a (seriously) nail salon in New Hampshire that I’m sure is confused about why all their web traffic isn’t translating into clients.
YouTube is about the only ‘reliable’ source for recent advice.
jasona123 43 minutes ago [-]
Thank you for mentioning DDG - I don’t know what it is about their search algos but whenever I tried switching I found I got far less helpful results compared to Google. Like at least half the first results were total slop fest unusable.
shawn_w 12 minutes ago [-]
DDG has become so unusable because of AI word vomit sites that I'm finally seriously considering the paid search engine that HN loves... Kagi, I think?
oefrha 1 hours ago [-]
On the other hand, frontier LLMs are extremely good at getting super accurate info from games. They’ll happily disassemble the actual game binary to get to the bottom of certain game mechanics, including ones not obvious in the game itself, without even an explicit prompt to do so; I can merely ask questions about certain mechanics. That’s way better than often guessed (and guessed wrong) mechanics commonly found in game wikis. I’ve observed this over and over again when vibe coding some helper tools for some games I’m playing; I used to build these for wider communities and got some recognition for them, now I can do what I used to finish in 100 hours in like half an hour of prompting. I no longer share them though.
It’s the shit tier free or super low cost AI hallucination engines used by the masses that are the problem.
Tiberium 44 minutes ago [-]
I fully agree! I have done a few game decomps and some deep RE passes on other games, and that uncovers a lot of details that game wikis/discords/forums get wrong or just don't mention, going as deep as undocumented mechanics that change the online gameplay. It's only a matter of having the LLMs properly reverse engineer the games instead of relying on other players' info, lossy wikis, or game manuals.
skhr0680 3 hours ago [-]
Fandom (ex-Wikia) has been a dumpster fire since day one.
nieve 3 hours ago [-]
As witness the choice to squat on the name "Fandom" when they were notoriously averse to treating fandoms reasonably.
unpleasurable 2 hours ago [-]
fan-Dom
jacquesm 3 hours ago [-]
Wait until you have to audit your average codebase post-AI.
AI is rotting pretty much everything that was carefully curated over the last couple of decades. If it can be expressed in bits it will be degraded. This is one of the most annoying side effects of AI, the general decrease in quality. Quality of discourse, quality in literature, quality of information, quality of software. It's everywhere.
There are at least different kinds of messes, and the new kind may offer different challenges which may eventually require different (easier? harder? invented-yet?) techniques than the ones we're used-to.
The problem I'm already having with LLMs (in miniature) is code/comments/docs where I don't know whether it's someone's intent or whether its un-reviewed LLM babble. That creates a continual stumbling block for figuring out whether the thing should be the way it is, or whether I'm looking at an unusually-coherent error.
Take the exact same messy pile of bytes but promise: "Everything in this made sense to a human at some point in the process", and that changes how one approaches the problem.
goda90 3 hours ago [-]
Before code would be intentionally a certain way, done as a known compromise that's less than ideal, or the developer flubbed in some way. Using commit comments and other surrounding details you might be able to identify which in many cases which could guide your next steps. I don't think you can do that with an LLM's output.
nightski 2 hours ago [-]
So this is why we are seeing all these CVE's and vulnerability disclosures? Because of the careful curation? Feels to me it is more like ignorance is bliss.
jacquesm 2 hours ago [-]
Those bugs (assuming validity) were there in spite of the careful curation. People tend to do what they can to the best of their abilities. Before compilers did much in terms of static checking a lot more errors made it into production than today. Better tools -> better code.
Whether AI written code is going to be better in the longer term remains to be seen. With what I've looked at so far I'm not super optimistic about this.
bulbar 17 seconds ago [-]
LLMs reliably avoid whole categories of bugs, some of them the most serious offenders in terms of impact.
To me it has become clear that LLMs will, on average, improve the code quality by a lot.
krige 2 hours ago [-]
Even here we see the AI bit rot - we're getting CVE's and vulnerability disclosures for imaginary issues.
monk_grilla 2 hours ago [-]
Post-AI?
Rendered at 06:07:27 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) with Vercel.
When AI started I got a copy of 6 months before of wikipedia and open street map.
At some point you cannot trust anything because everything has been touched by everything as a regurgitation of everything.
You know it’s not gonna be updated, because it was created on a whim and the author has already moved onto 79 other projects since.
If the solution merely makes it high friction to post AI content that is probably good enough. In other words if someone has to copy/paste the output of an LLM into a text field and even then the tech detects that and throws an error that would be a big step in the right direction.
Reddit, Wikipedia, fan wikis, reviews, Hacker News comments - I'm sure there are a dozen more categories I'm missing.
We can put these together to conclude that every game and community that lacks that kind of dedication will die out and be replaced by psychologically personalized short-form dopamine-agonist videos, as exemplified in an infamous comic:
https://x.com/Merryweatherey/status/1395152040389713922
The unspoken assumptions that underpinned the web included the idea that it was made by humans and that content generation couldn’t be mechanized.
There are already YouTube ads for services that Humanize AI output.
The best analogy is that we are at the start of the Dark Forest era of the net.
I assume people will adapt, based on the things that don’t change. If you cannot make out authenticity of participants, then you index on correctness of argument. If the output is useful to you, then you got what you needed and can move on. A more transactional and less community oriented web.
There is no solution (though there will be plenty of grifters trying to sell one).
The open internet we currently know will be lost to mountains of slop just like usenet and email were even prior to the AI era.
The ones I came across just contained nebulous prose with variously incorrect info about the game on a few barebones pages, with a custom domain name. They weren't using any wiki software.
I have uBlock Origin installed so not sure if the purpose was ads but I was baffled as to what the goal would be otherwise since they're useless for proper information, let alone a wiki.
Maybe there are other people selling the tools, who try to convince the former people that what they're doing is smart and profit will roll in any day now.
Anyway it would be a mistake to think something is profitable just because someone bets on it.
For example, try searching about what sort of nails you should be using to attach cedar lap siding.
On Google, you might find a few good results, but you’ll really need to scrutinize them to make sure they’re reliable. Most are slop on the ‘blogs’ of siding and roofing contractors.
On DDG, it’s even worse. Usually nailerguy.com ranks highly - it seems to be completely AI generated, complete with contradictions and impossible pictures. And, often, nailicy.com, a (seriously) nail salon in New Hampshire that I’m sure is confused about why all their web traffic isn’t translating into clients.
YouTube is about the only ‘reliable’ source for recent advice.
It’s the shit tier free or super low cost AI hallucination engines used by the masses that are the problem.
AI is rotting pretty much everything that was carefully curated over the last couple of decades. If it can be expressed in bits it will be degraded. This is one of the most annoying side effects of AI, the general decrease in quality. Quality of discourse, quality in literature, quality of information, quality of software. It's everywhere.
The problem I'm already having with LLMs (in miniature) is code/comments/docs where I don't know whether it's someone's intent or whether its un-reviewed LLM babble. That creates a continual stumbling block for figuring out whether the thing should be the way it is, or whether I'm looking at an unusually-coherent error.
Take the exact same messy pile of bytes but promise: "Everything in this made sense to a human at some point in the process", and that changes how one approaches the problem.
Whether AI written code is going to be better in the longer term remains to be seen. With what I've looked at so far I'm not super optimistic about this.
To me it has become clear that LLMs will, on average, improve the code quality by a lot.