It's a shame what happened to Postman. It started as an excellent little developer tool for testing APIs. Then for some reason they raised over $400M in funding and hired 1,500+ employees, for what should have been a tiny OSS/passion project like curl or little snitch. Instead they now have to justify their valuation by forcing logins, collecting data, monthly subscriptions, AI features, etc.
I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore
swatcoder 45 minutes ago [-]
> for some reason they raised over $400M in funding and hired 1,500+ employees
You know the reason. A bunch of people were able to take home a lot of money because of that growth and now have the option to FIRE themselves whenever they want to shake off the stress.
That's the founder mentality that Y Combinator exists to leverage or encourage and it's ubiquity is what separates the prevailing 21st century technology movement from the nerdy, academic, UNIX-y movement that gave us GNU, linux, curl, ffmpeg, redis, etc
We got to watch innovative products get pumped full of helium until they explode with bloat and rent-seeking instead of accumulating a growing foundation of sturdy technical building blocks as we could have had on the other path.
AI now leads us into some new movement, the worst version of which a few model vendors protected by regulations absorb almost all technical accomplishment and lease it back out to everybody else, and the best version of which democratizes technical construction so widely that individuals can naively spin up effective solutions for the most idiosyncratic needs.
We'll see how it goes.
cluckindan 12 minutes ago [-]
Enshittification and private equity are synonymous. Strange that people are still surprised by this.
guitarlimeo 31 minutes ago [-]
Well put, hopefully it's the latter version.
terribleperson 30 minutes ago [-]
I'm already enjoying the second version. I just hope we get to keep it.
vrganj 17 minutes ago [-]
Hoarders can get piles of money,
That is true, hackers, that is true.
But they cannot help their neighbors;
That's not good, hackers, that's not good.
Join us now and share the software;
You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free.
-- The Free Software Song, as written and sung by rms
It’s definitely the best version. I’m seeing so many amazing open source projects since people who once had the vision, but not the coding chops, can now build what they imagine. I myself am building a personal OS that connects to everything and it’s way more fun to build things and use them yourself vs just paying for some other software. Especially when that software can be enshittified or start to squeeze its users like you mentioned.
mschuster91 22 minutes ago [-]
> AI now leads us into some new movement, the worst version of which a few model vendors protected by regulations absorb almost all technical accomplishment and lease it back out to everybody else, and the best version of which democratizes technical construction so widely that individuals can naively spin up effective solutions for the most idiosyncratic needs.
Yeah and the issues from these vibecoded one-off programs will be felt for generations.
I got out of IT partially because I could see the writing on the wall. The "load bearing Excel sheet" is one thing, manageable if you could catch the person who wrote it in time before they depart or die and know your way around Excel - there's only so many ways to achieve a desired goal (unless the author used VBA, at which point all bets are off, and I member encountering a spreadsheet that macro-called in a DLL shipped together with the sheet).
But vibe coded AI bullshit? That is supposed to be hosted by someone and kept secure (i.e. isn't hackable in a few seconds by anyone who manages to compromise some dingus's laptop? Oh hell no. I'm outta there, I'm too old for this crap.
aliasxneo 1 hours ago [-]
> I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore
B2B maybe? Usually these businesses thrive solely on flirting with the CTO and getting them to sign a lucrative contract and then mandate internal usage. I'm speaking from experience.
cute_boi 58 minutes ago [-]
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radicalbyte 60 minutes ago [-]
Oh THAT'S what they're trying. Doesn't work on me %)
asdff 1 minutes ago [-]
I feel the same way about docker. This things just running containers and yet its a billion dollar company.
alfanick 58 minutes ago [-]
I cannot imagine 1500+ employees "working" on this. Wtf, it's a single person project.
Still sounds much better than Oracle's employee composition!
dominotw 11 minutes ago [-]
they are going to annouce layoffs laying of that 1 developer
dalmo3 32 minutes ago [-]
And no one to deliver the mail?
PcChip 11 minutes ago [-]
surely they have a postman for that
enbugger 33 minutes ago [-]
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strictnein 30 minutes ago [-]
It's pretty clear they were making a joke.
sp527 27 minutes ago [-]
It's both hilarious and telling that his jest was close enough to reality to provoke you into taking it so seriously.
embedding-shape 22 minutes ago [-]
I love how "1468 sales" was the outrageous part, not "1 developer, 10 managers, 20 C-suite" which came before it.
arvid-lind 25 minutes ago [-]
That just added up to 1500, so maybe the "+" is another manager. No need to be so hasty.
Philip-J-Fry 44 minutes ago [-]
To be fair Postman is a lot more than just a fancy curl client. It's a whole saas platform now.
bartread 40 minutes ago [-]
> It's a whole saas platform now.
I think the argument may be that it doesn't justify this - that the main benefit of the SaaS platform has been to provide 1500+ people with something to do - and that perhaps the SaaS platform doesn't really add enough value to justify its existence or the company's valuation.
I don't really have a point of view on this since I've only used the browser extension (though I don't have it installed at present, thankfully) so the SaaS part of the business might be amazingly useful or it might not: I'm just laying out what I infer the argument in this sub-thread to be.
Keyframe 26 minutes ago [-]
can it send email yet?
kklisura 11 minutes ago [-]
Wait till you hear Docusign has 7k employees...
autoexec 56 minutes ago [-]
> Instead they now have to justify their valuation by forcing logins, collecting data, monthly subscriptions, AI features, etc.
All those people who gave them millions in funding are expecting to make a return on that investment and that means prioritizing turning it into something that will make money by selling out users. The valuation is just a guess at how successful it will be at screwing users over. Greed ruins everything.
richin13 5 minutes ago [-]
For some reason, it is very popular in my country (Costa Rica). Every freelancer I’ve worked with only knows about postman
It’s like it was very popular back in the day and people never got the memo there’s better options out there
vanschelven 25 minutes ago [-]
Someone should vibe-code a VC death clock for developer tools. Enter a company, and it will deduce from its last funding round and headcount the moment it all goes to shit.
In an utlimate twist of irony such a tool could itself pivot to investors because the moment it gets really bad is also the moment to invest in the competition.
I'm not saying that's my strategy with Bugsink, but I'm not saying it isn't either.
ayush--s 39 minutes ago [-]
I logged in to postman today after 3 years to use some public API, and god, it was so damn unusable. It took me navigating through "workspace", "environments", etc etc before I could hit the simplest of http endpoints.
enbugger 22 minutes ago [-]
It seems like cursed(blessed) niche? In search of alternatives couple of years ago, I'm stumbled upon Mockoon which looked really like a single person project. Now, judging by their webpage, I see they are going the same way
bonestamp2 42 minutes ago [-]
> I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore
I have no need for it, but there's one company I work with and all of their developers still use it. What do you do/recommend instead?
Hey thanks for sharing the APIs You Won't Hate Link! I'm one of the cofounders of the community. I've had a good time with Bruno, personally. Being git-enabled is a big plus.
If you've got other suggestions, I'd love to give them a look!
jamie_ca 3 minutes ago [-]
Insomnia has enshittified over the past few years too, its original author started https://yaak.app/ and it's pretty alright for most of my Postman-relevant use. Not as heavy on automation or API-documentation, but for testing endpoints it's been great.
Yeah, they managed to land on the IT blacklist for several of our customers.
Nowadays Portman is forbidden for project delivery, unless the customer development team also uses it.
jfyi 55 minutes ago [-]
A surprising number of developers I work with don't actually know how to use curl. Postman is ubiquitous among that crowd.
colejohnson66 39 minutes ago [-]
That's just GUIs being easier to use than CLIs for most people. After all, that's why Postman got popular - it's a GUI to do curl without the CLI! Or Handbrake to avoid using ffmpeg. Or various "paint" applications to rotate images instead of using imagemagik.
The problem is that Postman decided to want to be a business and took VC money.
agilek 12 minutes ago [-]
1500+ ppl? :-O
liendolucas 1 hours ago [-]
Postman valued at 5 billon? WTF? I mean the IT industry lives in a fart cloud honestly. I really really think everything is just a little bit overvalued, isn't it?
People should be using curl + bash. It's a universal combination available almost everywhere.
mschuster91 19 minutes ago [-]
> People should be using curl + bash. It's a universal combination available almost everywhere.
They should but Bash escaping/encoding is nasty and most terminals have a hard time using the mouse to reliably edit a cURL command, especially if the last command didn't do a final "\n" output. And it gets oh so tiring when the "copy cURL" command includes about 1000 bytes worth of Cookie headers full of analytics garbage.
That's why Postman became a thing in the first place.
theturtletalks 24 minutes ago [-]
Everything will be enshittified, it’s not a question of if but when. The incentives are simple, the stock ticker must go up.
darepublic 1 hours ago [-]
Yes a prime example of enshittification. You attract attention making something humble in scope but good.. but then it is compelled to become something much more. Same story with Coursera imo
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embedding-shape 1 hours ago [-]
> I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore
I think most people here on HN is within or close by the "Innovators" part of the "Technology adoption life cycle" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_life_cycle). When Postman hit mainstream, it was already bloated and ruined, and "Innovators" had already moved on to something else, but for Postman that's just the beginning, as they're in the "Early Majority" part, and still have a tail to ride, so investors and everyone else can extract all the value from the remaining s̶u̶c̶k̶e̶r̶s̶ users.
postmannotlover 45 minutes ago [-]
EDIT: sorry, I was cranky. I just really don't like Postman/its UI/BS. To each his/her own.
bfbf 35 minutes ago [-]
Weird take. Just because you can use curl it doesn’t mean you can’t value a GUI to be able to store and manipulate requests quickly and view a formatted response body.
I use postman all the time to explore apis. Sure I could do it from the command line, but this is quicker and it saves my request payloads.
(Though now I’m obviously open to suggestions for better tools)
tempestrose 25 minutes ago [-]
Get an older copy of fiddler.
syhol 25 minutes ago [-]
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_doctor_love 18 minutes ago [-]
> a tiny OSS/passion project like curl
Um.
sneak 1 hours ago [-]
This is why the right to fork exists in open source licenses. It’s easier than ever now, too, thanks to LLMs. You might even be able to oneshot forking and removing the malware and rebranding and rebuilding f/oss crapware these days.
I’ve been considering setting up a nonprofit solely to do this and to republish things like Mattermost, Stats, Bitwarden, etc with the corporate antifeatures ripped out.
FuriouslyAdrift 52 minutes ago [-]
Bruno. Open source base, runs locally, data remains on your infrastructure.
Postman has always been proprietary software, hasn't it?
mschuster91 25 minutes ago [-]
> Then for some reason they raised over $400M in funding and hired 1,500+ employees
... what the fuck. Certainly explains things
> I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore
Yep, one of them. I loved Postman but gone back to plain cURL and the dogshit that is IntelliJ's built-in HTTP request tool.
As for the question... easy. Markets can stay irrational for a very long time...
jameson 47 minutes ago [-]
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senfiaj 33 minutes ago [-]
Who still uses Postman? In my experience it became insanely slow and bloated. Switched to Bruno. IMO, Postman is like uTorrent, everybody heard about it and many install because of inertia.
bottombutton 23 minutes ago [-]
Working in healthcare, and Postman got decertified by our Cyber team for this. We all switched to Bruno overnight. Their sales team is pinging us like gangbusters though.
happytoexplain 15 minutes ago [-]
A lot of GxP environments had already ditched Postman because it auto-syncs your API schemas to their cloud, as well as values and secrets.
tonfreed 7 minutes ago [-]
Bruno is fantastic. Switched a while ago and haven't even thought about going back
dham 1 hours ago [-]
We went to bruno years ago and has been good. Nice to be able to store the request definitions in git. But to be honest, don't really need any of these tools anymore.
reddalo 33 minutes ago [-]
+1 for Bruno, it's simple and great.
They offer a paid version though, so I'm always afraid it's going to enshittify in the future, just like Postman and then Insomnia did.
georgel 1 hours ago [-]
Postman went from a great lightweight tool to a bloated up-selling mess.
wolttam 1 hours ago [-]
As do all great things once VC sinks its teeth in.
999900000999 42 minutes ago [-]
I know I’d also take 400 million in VC funding in hopes of eventually becoming a billionaire.
Vs making tools for donations and no one appreciating it!
CommonGuy 39 minutes ago [-]
I have been building Kreya [1] for over 6 years now as a Postman alternative. It's offline-first and privacy focused with a storage format made for git.
In all our years, Kreya "just worked" for our users without any drama or unwanted changes, unlike most of our competitors...
I don't understand how postman became the tool that it is today. The best version of it was just a logger and a formatter on top of an http client. The proto import was nice for gRPC. Who thought that relatively simple tool needed accounts and MCPs and whatever else they've thrown into it?
Havoc 14 minutes ago [-]
> I don't understand how postman became the tool that it is today.
You can’t have a unicorn valuation built on a simple offline client.
This is basically standard SV play book - first step is „fix“ it to have a cloud component/account. Then store some of the data in cloud only - say for example for team sharing or a „workspace“. Then make some features paid only. Then ramp up the enshitification till metrics show it’s saturated and users will bear no more
toddmorey 1 hours ago [-]
Why do all these tools require a paid account? Bruno specifically says it’s platform-free and stores everything in git.
My path was: Postman -> Turns into shit -> Insomnia -> Turns into shit -> Bruno.. let's hope Bruno doesn't turn into shit.
amflare 1 hours ago [-]
I've been using Insomnia whenever I can since before Covid. Its been nice, but ever since they started pushing accounts so aggressively, I've switched to Yaak to get back to that feel of a simple API client that prompted me to switch to Insomia in the first place. 100% recommend. https://yaak.app/
Waterluvian 54 minutes ago [-]
That looks appealing but the existence of a Pricing page tells me it's just a matter of time.
I have a sense that a dumb Web API testing UI application is really not that hard to get AI to implement. These apps all look about the same for a reason. So maybe there will be a prevailing FOSS option that isn't trying to monetize.
gschier 48 minutes ago [-]
Yaak creator here! The commercial-use license is my best attempt at aligning incentives between me and the user, while still funding the project's future.
FYI the license terms only apply to the prebuilt binaries. You can build and run from source for any use (including commercial), for free.
Happy to answer any questions as well.
Waterluvian 43 minutes ago [-]
Hey! I respect your desire to monetize. And I appreciate that you're trying to make it work through monetizing the commercial side. I think that's a sensible approach.
I'm for the most part just jaded about it all because I've seen Postman and Insomnia slowly boil the frog with increased pushiness towards logins and monetization. If a project is trying to make money at all, I feel it will inevitably grapple with the same issues. Especially for the kind of product where we can have five different options for in the comments section already. But I hope you do succeed in maintaining an honourable revenue stream.
runako 29 minutes ago [-]
> If a project is trying to make money at all
long-time engineer here, begging others to reconsider this attitude. Engineering work has value, engineers deserve to be paid for their time, and the community will have better software if engineers are able to get paid for their time.
Is there another profession where charging a fair price for a product is looked on with derision the way it is with software?
gschier 29 minutes ago [-]
Yep! Fun fact, I made Insomnia too, and started over with Yaak after I sold it and watched it go down the same path. Yaak was my attempt at making sure it doesn't happen again.
georgel 1 hours ago [-]
Just installed it, it's funny their landing page is littered with every AI buzzword too. But I am going to give Insomnia a try, I've heard people talk about it and a few others on HN over the years. I just need a glorified cURL GUI at the end of the day.
debo_ 1 hours ago [-]
I use Bruno. I forget what Insomnia did that irritated me, but Bruno is the closest I've found to a dumb client that doesn't pester me for an account.
jmuguy 1 hours ago [-]
Yeah it got bought by Kong a while back, and they're definitely not a great company, but the application itself still seems pretty OK.
I really like that you can paste a curl in to setup a new request.
This is definitely the type of app that some AI agent could cobble together pretty quickly, so I don't know why Postman etc thinks they have enough of a moat to keep enshittifying their product.
rurp 34 minutes ago [-]
Lots of discussion about less terrible alternatives to postman. For those already using a Jetbrains IDE there's a builtin rest client that works well. I haven't used it for anything too complicated, but for routine stuff where you need to hit an endpoint and fiddle with the payload and headers it's great.
rhdunn 15 minutes ago [-]
The JetBrains IDE, Visual Studio, and VS Code all support http files as well, which can be checked into an application.
bitbasher 18 minutes ago [-]
Would you be willing to pay for a local only postman alternative if it was built by hand and native (no electron)?
p0w3n3d 14 minutes ago [-]
Curl Web Interface shouldn't require any payment at all
theseamusjames 38 minutes ago [-]
If there's ever been a perfect app to vibecode your own replacement, it's postman. Claude can knock out a completely usable competitor in under an hour, I'm sure of it. A day of tweaking and you'll have everything you need.
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throw03172019 35 minutes ago [-]
Postman was amazing 6-8 years ago. What a downfall it’s been.
tty456 2 minutes ago [-]
Part of Postman's ongoing enshittification...
Colegno 1 hours ago [-]
I really don't see the point of Postman. It used to be light and efficient, now it's bloated and inefficient
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neya 38 minutes ago [-]
Wow, the timing is perfect, I was going to post about this. I also found out last night that they actually proxy your requests without your permission. I have setup an exclusion within my firewall for certain request parameters, but it kept getting blocked despite all my settings a though it was going through their server. That really pissed me off since these requests actually contain sensitive data they did not have permission to intercept.
Postman also removed the ability to export individual requests and grouped them into "Share" which means now you have to get a subscription to get your data out, and most export options are gone completely, except for collections itself - which they ask you questions why before you can get your data out. Fuck Postman. I moved to Insomnia as of last night (open source).
maxdo 26 minutes ago [-]
This is their very bad attempt to survive , who need this in the age of agents ?
clickety_clack 34 minutes ago [-]
I haven’t used postman for years and I don’t know why anyone would. Are people really paying for it?
Havoc 23 minutes ago [-]
If even half of that is true then they’re cooked
IlikeMadison 27 minutes ago [-]
Use impostman.el/verb.el/restclient.el in Emacs.
skilning 3 minutes ago [-]
Enshittification wins again. :(
rienbdj 37 minutes ago [-]
Postman feels pointless when I have an agent plus curl.
stillpointlab 55 minutes ago [-]
If there ever was a tool that could be vibe coded, a postman-like is the one.
arttaboi 1 hours ago [-]
Never liked Postman since they started forcing everyone to signup. Sometimes I hate VCs who unnecessarily funds and ruins a perfectly fine product (of course founders are equally guilty).
richwater 1 hours ago [-]
Postman went from a nice tool to an almost virus in just a few years. It's crazy that anyone still uses it.
I made the switch to Bruno years ago after getting hounded by Postman’s sales team and Insomnia started requiring an account.
Works well enough without getting in my way.
rs999gti 32 minutes ago [-]
Does anyone know if Bruno is not on the same path as Postman?
reddalo 31 minutes ago [-]
They have a "Pricing" page, so it's a matter of time before it enshittifies. But it's still nice as of now.
devmor 1 hours ago [-]
Switched to Bruno myself, and moved my team to it last year as well. Vast improvement over late stage Postman.
languagehacker 1 hours ago [-]
I've always kind of thought that Postman was an enshittification story waiting to happen. I've always felt like they prey on people who just aren't comfortable with the command line, and so there isn't much more stooping lower for them than something like this.
vachina 23 minutes ago [-]
Thanks, I still use Postman out of muscle memory. Will use Bruno or Insomnia (as recommended here)
moi2388 1 hours ago [-]
Thank god we moved to Bruno and sometimes just http files in vs code or jetbrains
ebtebt 23 minutes ago [-]
Thank you for the reminder, I had not deleted Postman yet. Done :D
plagiarist 1 hours ago [-]
Unsurprising. I loved the tool but it was obviously time to drop it when they began pushing for logins.
orphereus 1 hours ago [-]
Does everything have to go to shit when money is involved?
pizzafeelsright 59 minutes ago [-]
No. Postman sells nothing of value.
At this point I do not see why the entirety of their software could not be a one shot prompt for the price of deer nuts.
rs999gti 29 minutes ago [-]
Depends. Is it an investment grant or loan? The former is money to grow with no expectations on growth. The latter has an investor giving money in expectation of a return.
Most of the YC companies are loan backed with investors pushing milestones for the next investment chunk or round.
autoexec 41 minutes ago [-]
Pretty much. It's just a question of how fast it happens. The more capable something is of making money without compromising the product or exploiting users the longer it will take, but once people who are sick with pathological greed get involved they'll eventually start to demand enshittifying the product and selling out the userbase to squeeze more and more money into their pockets.
lenerdenator 1 hours ago [-]
Until we stop relying on SV as the standard-bearer for tech culture? Absolutely.
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Surac 1 hours ago [-]
who the hell needs that. skills are just md files
fifilura 57 minutes ago [-]
Or pre-AI it was a python script inside a notebook.
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I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore
You know the reason. A bunch of people were able to take home a lot of money because of that growth and now have the option to FIRE themselves whenever they want to shake off the stress.
That's the founder mentality that Y Combinator exists to leverage or encourage and it's ubiquity is what separates the prevailing 21st century technology movement from the nerdy, academic, UNIX-y movement that gave us GNU, linux, curl, ffmpeg, redis, etc
We got to watch innovative products get pumped full of helium until they explode with bloat and rent-seeking instead of accumulating a growing foundation of sturdy technical building blocks as we could have had on the other path.
AI now leads us into some new movement, the worst version of which a few model vendors protected by regulations absorb almost all technical accomplishment and lease it back out to everybody else, and the best version of which democratizes technical construction so widely that individuals can naively spin up effective solutions for the most idiosyncratic needs.
We'll see how it goes.
That is true, hackers, that is true.
But they cannot help their neighbors;
That's not good, hackers, that's not good.
Join us now and share the software;
You'll be free, hackers, you'll be free.
-- The Free Software Song, as written and sung by rms
https://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.en.html
Yeah and the issues from these vibecoded one-off programs will be felt for generations.
I got out of IT partially because I could see the writing on the wall. The "load bearing Excel sheet" is one thing, manageable if you could catch the person who wrote it in time before they depart or die and know your way around Excel - there's only so many ways to achieve a desired goal (unless the author used VBA, at which point all bets are off, and I member encountering a spreadsheet that macro-called in a DLL shipped together with the sheet).
But vibe coded AI bullshit? That is supposed to be hosted by someone and kept secure (i.e. isn't hackable in a few seconds by anyone who manages to compromise some dingus's laptop? Oh hell no. I'm outta there, I'm too old for this crap.
B2B maybe? Usually these businesses thrive solely on flirting with the CTO and getting them to sign a lucrative contract and then mandate internal usage. I'm speaking from experience.
All adds up pretty well
I think the argument may be that it doesn't justify this - that the main benefit of the SaaS platform has been to provide 1500+ people with something to do - and that perhaps the SaaS platform doesn't really add enough value to justify its existence or the company's valuation.
I don't really have a point of view on this since I've only used the browser extension (though I don't have it installed at present, thankfully) so the SaaS part of the business might be amazingly useful or it might not: I'm just laying out what I infer the argument in this sub-thread to be.
All those people who gave them millions in funding are expecting to make a return on that investment and that means prioritizing turning it into something that will make money by selling out users. The valuation is just a guess at how successful it will be at screwing users over. Greed ruins everything.
In an utlimate twist of irony such a tool could itself pivot to investors because the moment it gets really bad is also the moment to invest in the competition.
I'm not saying that's my strategy with Bugsink, but I'm not saying it isn't either.
I have no need for it, but there's one company I work with and all of their developers still use it. What do you do/recommend instead?
or any of these
https://apisyouwonthate.com/blog/http-clients-alternatives-t...
If you've got other suggestions, I'd love to give them a look!
Nowadays Portman is forbidden for project delivery, unless the customer development team also uses it.
The problem is that Postman decided to want to be a business and took VC money.
People should be using curl + bash. It's a universal combination available almost everywhere.
They should but Bash escaping/encoding is nasty and most terminals have a hard time using the mouse to reliably edit a cURL command, especially if the last command didn't do a final "\n" output. And it gets oh so tiring when the "copy cURL" command includes about 1000 bytes worth of Cookie headers full of analytics garbage.
That's why Postman became a thing in the first place.
I think most people here on HN is within or close by the "Innovators" part of the "Technology adoption life cycle" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology_adoption_life_cycle). When Postman hit mainstream, it was already bloated and ruined, and "Innovators" had already moved on to something else, but for Postman that's just the beginning, as they're in the "Early Majority" part, and still have a tail to ride, so investors and everyone else can extract all the value from the remaining s̶u̶c̶k̶e̶r̶s̶ users.
I use postman all the time to explore apis. Sure I could do it from the command line, but this is quicker and it saves my request payloads.
(Though now I’m obviously open to suggestions for better tools)
Um.
I’ve been considering setting up a nonprofit solely to do this and to republish things like Mattermost, Stats, Bitwarden, etc with the corporate antifeatures ripped out.
https://www.usebruno.com/
... what the fuck. Certainly explains things
> I still don't know how they're valued at $5B+ when I don't know a single developer who actually uses it anymore
Yep, one of them. I loved Postman but gone back to plain cURL and the dogshit that is IntelliJ's built-in HTTP request tool.
As for the question... easy. Markets can stay irrational for a very long time...
They offer a paid version though, so I'm always afraid it's going to enshittify in the future, just like Postman and then Insomnia did.
Vs making tools for donations and no one appreciating it!
In all our years, Kreya "just worked" for our users without any drama or unwanted changes, unlike most of our competitors...
[1] https://kreya.app
btw - I'm the author.
[0]https://github.com/unkn0wn-root/resterm
You can’t have a unicorn valuation built on a simple offline client.
This is basically standard SV play book - first step is „fix“ it to have a cloud component/account. Then store some of the data in cloud only - say for example for team sharing or a „workspace“. Then make some features paid only. Then ramp up the enshitification till metrics show it’s saturated and users will bear no more
Older versions are fine, though.
https://github.com/Kong/insomnia/discussions/6590
Bruno [1] is the current better alternative to Insomnia.
[1] https://www.usebruno.com/
I have a sense that a dumb Web API testing UI application is really not that hard to get AI to implement. These apps all look about the same for a reason. So maybe there will be a prevailing FOSS option that isn't trying to monetize.
FYI the license terms only apply to the prebuilt binaries. You can build and run from source for any use (including commercial), for free.
Happy to answer any questions as well.
I'm for the most part just jaded about it all because I've seen Postman and Insomnia slowly boil the frog with increased pushiness towards logins and monetization. If a project is trying to make money at all, I feel it will inevitably grapple with the same issues. Especially for the kind of product where we can have five different options for in the comments section already. But I hope you do succeed in maintaining an honourable revenue stream.
long-time engineer here, begging others to reconsider this attitude. Engineering work has value, engineers deserve to be paid for their time, and the community will have better software if engineers are able to get paid for their time.
Is there another profession where charging a fair price for a product is looked on with derision the way it is with software?
I really like that you can paste a curl in to setup a new request.
This is definitely the type of app that some AI agent could cobble together pretty quickly, so I don't know why Postman etc thinks they have enough of a moat to keep enshittifying their product.
Postman also removed the ability to export individual requests and grouped them into "Share" which means now you have to get a subscription to get your data out, and most export options are gone completely, except for collections itself - which they ask you questions why before you can get your data out. Fuck Postman. I moved to Insomnia as of last night (open source).
I'm currently using Bruno (https://www.usebruno.com/)
Works well enough without getting in my way.
At this point I do not see why the entirety of their software could not be a one shot prompt for the price of deer nuts.
Most of the YC companies are loan backed with investors pushing milestones for the next investment chunk or round.